Marty's column

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'Shrink ray' hits consumers' wallets

With fuel and delivery costs rising, food manufacturers are faced with raising their prices or giving you less, and it seems that less is the growing trend. The Grocery Shrink Ray is hitting products all over the store.

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{"commentId":2135996,"authorDomain":"mhwolk"}

Would you rather pay higher prices or just get less food in each package for the same price?

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    Reply#1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2136901,"authorDomain":"jameslee"}

    I would rather get less food in each package, but don't try to deceive me.

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      #1.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2137015,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

      Then read what you are purchasing. Do you buy a car or house without knowing the specifics? Didn't thinks so. Why should food be different?

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        #1.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2137160,"authorDomain":"jonwadams"}

        I think cheating has become a way of life for American business. It is cheating and there is not other word for it. What makes me mad is most recipies are based on certain protion and with the change you are forced to buy two of an item to get the correct portions. Airline ding you to death, hotels ding you to death and now the makers of ice cream and cereals are doing it. Guess what. I no longer stay at hotels that dineg you for everything, I am taking the train which, by the way, is cheaper and faster than flying in many cases. An example is Seattle to Portland. Now I shop for firms or products that do not play the cheating game. Why Americans roll over and ask to be kick time after time is because business can get a way with it.? Well, I will do my share to shop firms, hotels and airlines that do not cheat.

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        #1.3 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2137203,"authorDomain":"jaewaldt"}

        Marty - it's the same thing. Marketing 101. The average consumer does not "see" the price change from what they are use to paying, but with the smaller size it is obviously a price increase per ounce, ml, pound, etc. It's as bad as a the old bait-n-switch. Keep the quantity the same and raise the price. Be open about it.

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          #1.4 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2137216,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

          um tony .. no
          when you buy the same product for the past 20 years, you shouldn't have to double check that it's size hasn't changed. I noticed this once, with chicken fingers beign listed as "new lower price" and it was less but they failed to mention, "new smaller box with less product in it is why we have a lower price but actually higher price per ounce"
          With the education level of americans I am sure many people are fooled by this, wondering why their food bill is more at the end of the month and they are going more and more to the grocer and yet everything costs less.

          Nah I think they should for them to put it in prominent letters that he packages is smaller. Heck when you get the Sunday mailer and you see bilo has a special on chicken fingers, how are you supposed to know their box is smaller than the boxes at kroger?

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            #1.5 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2137239,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

            JoulesBeef~

            You are exactly who they are looking for, blissfully ignorant people. I have NO sympathy for folks who do not pay attention to where and how they spend their hard earned money.

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              #1.6 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2137287,"authorDomain":"margos"}

              I would rather pay higher prices.

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                #1.7 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2137438,"authorDomain":"jsmosby"}

                I would rather pay more for the same quantity. Smaller containers mess up recipes. Smaller containers mean buying two packages to get the same amount for a recipe, resulting in waste, and eventually costing even more. Both strategies are costing the consumer more money - its just semantics.

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                  #1.8 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 9:23 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2137458,"authorDomain":"soturin"}

                  Giving you less means more packaging, giving you more means less profit, making the manufacturer only produce so much means a savings for everybody............

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                    #1.9 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2137794,"authorDomain":"aperritano"}

                    "Would you rather pay higher prices or just get less food in each package for the same price? "

                    neither. how's that?

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                      #1.10 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2137832,"authorDomain":"mmorgante"}

                      I sure hope the company CEO's have shortened their own profit margins. A 30 percent margin may be their norm...but these aren't normal times. I'm talking true profit, ie. CEO Jaguars, not employee jobs.

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                        #1.11 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 10:22 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2138002,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                        I can't speak for the manufacturers but the typical net profit margin for a grocery store is 1-3%.

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                          #1.12 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2138334,"authorDomain":"TaraSingletary"}

                          I don't know why anyone would think that this is news -- it's been going on for decades as far as I know, and it is probably as old as inflation itself. Anybody who can read a label will know that this has been going on. And anybody with a modicum of common sense will know that this is part of how inflation is handled; you don't need a MBA for that. It's "sneaky" only to those who can't, or won't, read the label!

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                            #1.13 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2140656,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

                            tony.. lol oviously you have some issues.. I noticed.. so how am I blissfully ignorant?

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                              #1.14 - Tue Jul 8, 2008 8:27 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":2160010,"authorDomain":"slpeterson"}

                              I would rather not have run away inflation while we fight wars overseas (where we're printing and handing out USD, which make the current USD in the market worth less!). I would rather have a currency that is backed by gold (but then bankers wouldn't make a killing off the interest of just running more paper through a printing press to create more useless dollars and we can't have that!). I would rather have a country of politicians that gave a sh*t. I would rather have a lot of things but this is the crap I have.

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                                #1.15 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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                                {"commentId":2136038,"authorDomain":"sugarbunz"}

                                I wouldn't mind paying higher prices for the same size, but not higher prices for the smaller size like I saw in Safeway this week.

                                They had Dreyers (it's called something different on the East Coast) as buy one, get one free. The price? $6.39. The size? Dinky. I could tell without even touching it that it was smaller.

                                There is no way I would buy something I don't need for that kind of price. I understand the rise in fuel costs, dairy and blah blah blah, but c'mon, where's my raise? If you want us to keep buying your stuff you have to realize that we are hurting too.

                                I know companies are in business to make a profit and not dole out charity, but these kind of moves are like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

                                FWIW: Fry's (Kroger) has Breyers Ice Cream for $1.99 a carton. Some of the flavors were still in the old size.

                                To answer your question, Marty Wolk, I think I would prefer the smaller sizes, same price, because I don't always need as much as they put in the package anyway.

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                                  Reply#2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 6:18 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":2136860,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                  Smaller prices AND higher prices are reality. Get used to it. It is as if you think the manufacturers have suddenly decided to CLEAN UP at the expense of the public, their CUSTOMERS. Please!

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                                  #2.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":2137723,"authorDomain":"sugarbunz"}

                                  I'm not sure where your anger is coming from, Tony Bell. I don't think my statement warranted FOUR ALL CAPS WORDS. You are one angry individual, I've seen your other comments on here.

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                                    #2.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2137800,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                    A frustrated grocery professional, not angry. There is a difference. All cap words are simply my way of emphasizing those words. Not meant to be thought of as yelling. Sorry if I offended you with that. Did not intend to.

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                                      #2.3 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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                                      {"commentId":2136675,"authorDomain":"chernysh"}

                                      I don't really mind this, as I often would not use all of the product I bought.

                                      Also, I'm surprised the author of the story didn't mention it, but American portions had already gotten out of control, so perhaps this would help solve our obesity epidemic.

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                                        Reply#3 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":2160072,"authorDomain":"slpeterson"}

                                        Our obesity epidemic is in large part due to our foods having less and less nutritional content. A body craves food when it's deficient of nutrients. All food that is cooked has no nutritional value because the high heat destroys the enzymes, nutrients and vitamins.

                                        To lose weight we'd need to get back to nature and say good bye to big box grocery stores with processed, highly cooked foods.

                                        When they add nutrients/vitamins into food that's been cooked to make up for that which has been killed, it is a man made lab product that is not easily assimilated into your body so you might as well just skip it.

                                        Shar

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                                          #3.1 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":2136715,"authorDomain":"kcmom731"}

                                          This has been going on for years...what was their excuse ten years ago. Supposedly then the economy was strong back then.

                                          I don't feel that we have a choice but I would prefer they tell us that they are raising the price or making the product smaller. What I resent is that manufacturers think the public is stupid and try to pull the wool over our eyes.

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                                            Reply#4 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":2136878,"authorDomain":"rje49"}

                                            Totally agree! I was writing a similar message as yours was posted.

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                                              #4.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2137102,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                              Just because the "economy was strong" doesn't mean costs didn't rise!

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                                              #4.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2160107,"authorDomain":"slpeterson"}

                                              A strong economy means absolutely nothing if you are not preparing for the future outcomes of such "strength." They define strong as growth, even if it's debt growth, which is not real!

                                              The only people who gained from a strong economy as defined are bankers who made all the (cheap currency) loans everywhere. Then when things go sour they just take all the assets, when they had no risk at all in the beginning (except for the actual cost of printing more money and the ink used on the worthless USDs). Sweet deal. Risk free money.

                                              The boom & bust cycle is a creation of the fiat monetary system as run by the Federal Reserve bank.

                                              It's a failure.

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                                                #4.3 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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                                                {"commentId":2136719,"authorDomain":"jeffgodoy"}

                                                This is where those companies will lose out in the end. People will eventually stop buying ice cream and other non-necessary food. Maybe the cure to America's obesity problem will be financial. Doe anyone really care if Baskin-Robbins or Dairy Queen goes out of business. Poor corporate planning, mostly the desire to offer as little as possible while charging as much as possible will kill a lot of companies in the end. Besides homemade cookies taste better the tiny little bags at the store......

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                                                  Reply#5 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":2136725,"authorDomain":"OBA"}

                                                  Gauge how much is being used in each community/state/city/region, etc according to average income. The average income should determine the price and the ever so intangible and hypothetical theory of deflation and inflation rates.

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                                                  Reply#6 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":2136728,"authorDomain":"kjinvenice"}

                                                  Being a bean counter, what I'm about to say will probably be maddening for some, but probably make sense for the companies.

                                                  Why not go metric while for some items? It's a good way for America to start entering the global standard of measurements.

                                                  For example, instead of providing consumers with 1 gallon of milk, why not use the same gallon container and just fill 3.75 liters (0.99 gallons) and market it as a 3.75 liter product? Sure 0.01 gallons seems awfully small but it adds up for substantial savings every 100 container of "3.75 liters" of milk.

                                                  Some holds true with 10 pounds of flour: use the same bag and market as a 4.5 kg bag of flour (9.92 lbs).

                                                  Can of soda, instead of 12 fl oz, start marketing as 350 ml (11.83 fl oz). Frankly this is even a better idea because those things are bad for our health - the less the better!

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                                                    Reply#7 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":2136729,"authorDomain":"noelle-essex"}

                                                    How about simply consuming less? Not unlike oil, Americans gorge too much on food. Smaller cars, smaller waistlines, healthier planet, healthier bodies. Not such a bad thing, in my opinion.

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                                                    Reply#8 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":2136762,"authorDomain":"rje49"}

                                                    This has been going on for many, many years. I worked in the packaging business, so I always knew when the carton size shrunk. What took the media this long to notice? How about those rolls of "bathroom tissue" that look like spools of thread? As a consumer, I always felt deceived by this sneaky practice. If this is merely a neccessary economical move, why don't they print a big "NEW, SMALLER SIZE, AND HIGHER PRICE" on the label? The food industry is all about deception, that's why.

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                                                      Reply#9 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2136988,"authorDomain":"kcqueen"}

                                                      Are you serious, you are like the people that think the government should police what kids eat instead of parents to control childhood obesity. You are an adult, people shouldnt have to tell you how much is in the package and how that compares to the last package size you bought. Consumers are so trained to buy on Price via Wal Mart and other discount mass merchandisers that you don't exercise your brain to comparison shop. You are an adult, do the price per oz calculation, it is no ones responsibility but your own. Its not deception, all the info you need is CLEARLY PRINTED on the package you help create. Don't cry for help, you have the power to be a savy shopper, don't play the victem as the liberal media is trying to make you out to be. Speak with your dollars, because currently, consumer behavior is supporting this move by CPG companies.

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                                                      #9.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2137031,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                      Welcome to the free market system. Name any product or service that isn't sold deceptively in some way.

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                                                      #9.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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                                                      {"commentId":2136775,"authorDomain":"k8morrey"}

                                                      Too little for same price? STOP buying the junk foods made in cyberspace and trucked across the country with the BAD ingredients. Support your local fresh produce markets. Make a difference. Eat less, gain better health, and lose weight!!!! Walk to the store and carry home only what you really need! We do it!
                                                      This is making a difference. Our "local chain store" is 3.5 miles from our home. Charming new lifestyle.

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                                                        Reply#10 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2136844,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                        First of all "made in cyberspace"????? WHAT???? That would be an AMAZING achievement were it possible to do away with the manufacturing plants that produce these items....oh, and EMPLOY a large portion of our population. And second, "bad ingredients"????? Please cite your source of this knowledge. I suspect you are pulling this out of your tail. I agree with you in principle, eat better, lose weight, be healthier but take just a little time to THINK about what you are typing.

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                                                        #10.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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                                                        {"commentId":2136827,"authorDomain":"jameslee"}

                                                        This is not new. Consumers have seen this practice many times with many products and with many companies. It is a fact of life that if the cost to produce a product rises, the producer must increase the price to maintain profitability. I don't like having to pay more for the same amount of something, but if all the producers suffer increased costs and consequently increase prices, I am faced with either paying for the higher priced item or doing without it altogether.

                                                        However, I don't like being deceived. Look me square in the eye and tell me that the price has increased or that I am getting less for the same money.

                                                        Since I work in manufacturing, I know that changing the package size also will increase the manufacuring cost even if the package becomes smaller (there are redesign costs plus machine modification costs to produce the new size box).

                                                        The thing that I wonder about and what also disturbs me is what happens if the manufacturing costs go down? Will the producers lower their prices or decide to rake in a little extra for the same amount of product?

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                                                          Reply#11 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":2136834,"authorDomain":"gray0343"}

                                                          How long did these mental midgets think it would be before we noticed. I guess they think we don't read the labels. Simple solution, buy a brand that does not play their game.

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                                                            Reply#12 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":2136884,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                            All brands "play their game." These "mental midgets" are doing the best they can in an economic fire storm. Prices for everything involved in the manufacturing process are raising so fast they cannot keep up as it is. As for how long it took YOU to "notice," this has been going on for the entire 20 years I've been employed in the grocery industry. Mental midgets indeed.

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                                                            #12.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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                                                            {"commentId":2136841,"authorDomain":"thurman4"}

                                                            Funny this article was online today. Just this afternoon I went to the supermarket and noticed that EDY's Ice cream is now 1 1/2 quarts instead of 1 3/4 quarts and the the price went up, too! But..the supermarket did have it on sale for $2.99 per carton instead of (YIKES) $5.29!! I did notice one or two of the 'older' larger-sized cartons still in stock, but I am sure those will be going very fast! (I noticed some are mentioning Dreyers Ice Cream cartons also shrunk; I think they are owned by same company as Edy's) Also, don't know how long this has been, but, tuna is now 6 oz. for the normal-sized can. I remember when tuna was 7 oz.; then shrunk down to 6 1/2 oz.; and now it's 6 oz. Of course, the prices are either the same or more.

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                                                              Reply#13 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":2136904,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                              That ice cream was a full half gallon four years ago. This has long been going on. Now that the economy is taking a downturn, NOW you care. Get over, higher prices are a way of life. And yes, smaller quantities also.

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                                                              #13.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":2137238,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

                                                              why are you telling everyone to get over it?
                                                              as if we have zero influence over the situations.
                                                              you know if enough people complain they will try other cost cutting ideas, like not dyign the boxes and such. WIth in reason of course, but you cant say the consumer has no influence, therefore they dotn HAVE TO GET OVER IT.
                                                              I suggest you get over the fact that some people are upset with this and choose to come here to vent.

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                                                                #13.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":2137265,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                Joules~

                                                                Either the size will shrink or the price will rise and there is NOTHING you will do about it. This is where it is economically. No one HAS to "get over it" but it is pretty good advice. The only action that can be taken is to stop buying food entirely and put the companies out of business. Go ahead if you can. I have my doubts.

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                                                                  #13.3 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":2139170,"authorDomain":"coramackenzie"}

                                                                  I noticed it especially with the ice cream the other day. I sent my husband in to the store he comes out with two of the same brand in different flavors. One is the size I usually buy and the other was much smaller. I thought maybe it was a special flavor or something, but no, just plain old chocolate. They had also changed the color of the packaging to make it look differently than the old. How ridiculous! And don't get me started on cereal... everytime I buy it I think I get a different size, I don't even know what size it is supposed to be honestly. I go to one store and it is one size, and it is different at another store, or only a certain size is on sale (good luck trying to find that one!). I am with the others, I would rather pay an increased price for the same thing than to have everything shrunk! The sad part is, my food and my bank account are all shrinking at the same time, and I think the bank account is going at a faster rate!

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                                                                  #13.4 - Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":2140669,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

                                                                  that's the point tony.. we can complain and get change we want not the change forced on us and no one has to "get over it", whiel don't you get off your box and quit looking down on everyone and realize your not the only one with point.

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                                                                    #13.5 - Tue Jul 8, 2008 8:29 AM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":2147133,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                    Your complaints will render no change.

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                                                                      #13.6 - Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
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                                                                      {"commentId":2136845,"authorDomain":"gray0343"}

                                                                      How long did these mental midgets think it would be before we noticed. I guess they think we don't read the labels. Simple solution, buy a brand that does not play their game.

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                                                                        Reply#14 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
                                                                        {"commentId":2136910,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                        All brands "play their game." These "mental midgets" are doing the best they can in an economic fire storm. Prices for everything involved in the manufacturing process are raising so fast they cannot keep up as it is. As for how long it took YOU to "notice," this has been going on for the entire 20 years I've been employed in the grocery industry. Mental midgets indeed.

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                                                                        #14.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
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                                                                        {"commentId":2136862,"authorDomain":"grossano"}

                                                                        Some of these comments are absolutely ludicrous. Spanking the consumer for objecting to smaller food containers on the basis that we are too fat, each too much etc. Hogwash!! Whether my cereal box is one pound or ten ounces, I (and most others) each the same size bowl of cereal for breakfast, ditto the amount of milk or fruit on the flakes. Some of the best buys in hard times are in larger size containers. Should we forgo those because we, as a nation supposedly each too much. How about if I am lean, fit, and eat sparingly, am I still not allowed to complain about short-sizing. Get a grip!! Having a company treat its customers as fools is always objectionable, and usually bad business as well. If costs are going up, charge a fair clear, price. We're smart enough to read the papers or the Internet, or watch what goes on around us to understand what's occurring in the economy, and we"ll "swallow" the honest price increases that result from ongoing economic trends.

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                                                                        Reply#15 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
                                                                        {"commentId":2136944,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                        Only a fool would NOT notice the downsizing. Companies have made no secret of this. It doesn't take a genius to see that coffee and cereal have come in smaller sizes. Ice cream has been downsizing for years. Toilet paper is the same. You want to get upset about something take a look at those "mega size" packages of toilet paper the next time you shop. Jump start your brain and do the math. Figure out what the price is PER ROLL and you'll find the four roll package is almost always the better deal. Bottom line is customers ARE fools and you know what they say about a fool and his money. Wal-Mart has become the world-wide leader BASED on customers' stupidity.

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                                                                        #15.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
                                                                        {"commentId":2136976,"authorDomain":"noelle-essex"}

                                                                        Oldhouse, The problem is people generally don't have alot of empathy for large corporations. They assume they're being ripped off--or, even if the corporation is being honest about he price increase (i.e. the cost of its materials went up so it's passing these costs on to the consumer)--assume the corporation is better situated to absorb it. That's why they conceal it by shrinking the volume of product vs. raising the price. As a practical matter, Americans do consume too much food, and there is an obesity epidemic in this country. Cereal is one thing, but ice cream? I'm sorry, I just don't have alot of sympathy for that argument.

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                                                                        #15.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
                                                                        {"commentId":2137044,"authorDomain":"kcqueen"}

                                                                        I call B.S.
                                                                        These companies do enough testing on consumer behavior to know that when faced with price increase, they know what percent of their "Loyal" customers will just walk away and brand switch and never come back. So to them, if they are going to lose you right away with a price increase and never see you again, why not downsize and keep you for a bit longer. Its your job to determine if the package is still worth your dollar or not, and if you aren't doing the math in store, its not really that important to you. It takes some author to make it seem like some new scheme to cause you to feel taken advantage of. Shame on you, not the manufacturer.

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                                                                          #15.3 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
                                                                          {"commentId":2137143,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                          KQ22

                                                                          Well said! BUT the companies are actually looking at what the market will bear. What can people afford to pay. Median income for target market share has more to do with it than someone jumping to a competitor. Product jumping is actually a very minor thing. People are creatures of habit. Folks don't stop drinking Folgers and start drinking Maxwell House, just doesn't happen. Same with Coke and Pepsi. You can disagree all you like but it is the truth.

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                                                                          #15.4 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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                                                                          {"commentId":2136911,"authorDomain":"WilliamWilgus"}

                                                                          'Shrink ray' hits consumers' wallets: It's called deceptive packaging and it's ILLEGAL. It's also a HIDDEN COST INCREASE to both the manufacturer and consumer, because the packaging cost per unit of merchandise goes up.

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                                                                            Reply#16 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
                                                                            {"commentId":2136918,"authorDomain":"sunflowerking"}

                                                                            In times of hardship wouldn't it be smarter to cut into your profit and tell shareholders to go fly a kite since the American Consumer is a little more important then fattening the already fatmans wallet. Why does everyone see just black and white when there are hundreds of other options out there.

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                                                                              Reply#17 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
                                                                              {"commentId":2136953,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                              The shareholders ARE the consumers.

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                                                                              #17.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
                                                                              {"commentId":2137119,"authorDomain":"jameslee"}

                                                                              Not all American producers are public companies who offer stock. The majority of American companies are private sole proprietorships or partnerships, owned by individuals. These smaller companies must also maintain a profit, so when their manufacturing costs go up, so do their prices.

                                                                              I realize that the article focused on larger companies, and in that respect it is interesting to reflect on just who these shareholders may be. In many cases, they are your next door neighbor who has tried to salt away a few shares of a good company to help him/her weather a bad economic storm.

                                                                              So the fatman may not be very fat at all.

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                                                                              #17.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
                                                                              {"commentId":2137169,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                              Kraft, General Mills, Pepsico, CocaCola and Proctor & Gamble alone make up better than 50% of manufactured products in any grocery store so your argument falls short.

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                                                                              #17.3 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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                                                                              {"commentId":2136920,"authorDomain":"keithandmarla"}

                                                                              I swore off buying Edy's years ago when they switched to 1.75 from 2 full quarts....then everyone followed suit. But, I have still never purchased theirs again since they were the first swine to do it. And yes, that was when the economy was "strong."

                                                                              I shop at Aldi....aldifoods.com. Look it up, see if there's one in your area..... incredible prices. They don't play these games.

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                                                                                Reply#18 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":2136960,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                                Aldi absolutely DOES "play the game." I worked for them for two years. Go check out their coffee, their ice cream, their FOUR pound sugar.

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                                                                                #18.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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                                                                                {"commentId":2136926,"authorDomain":"dona-1"}

                                                                                Same some money and downsize the packaging as well. Why pay for packaging that isn't needed?

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                                                                                  Reply#19 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
                                                                                  {"commentId":2136973,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                                  Often the package does change size. I know this from ever changing shelf patterns due to size changes. The thing is that if you don't have the old one to hold up against it you don't easily notice the difference. And yes, there are some items that don't change in package size.

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                                                                                  #19.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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                                                                                  {"commentId":2136930,"authorDomain":"rernie"}

                                                                                  So what is anybody going to do about it? Used to be large cities like Chicago had a weights and measure division that weighted candy to gas pumps. Used to be a nice fine to someone. Now what? We are a society of saying " OH WELL"--GET THE SHAFT! I know retail --have been in it for 36yrs. and know who to pay off etc. I have worked for 8 major retailers from Woolworths to Michaels Crafts and they all get away with anything they want. Also have to blame the manufactuer. So what will we do--NOTHING! Keep getting the shaft. If the economy keeps going like this and an Iraq problem--I think a peaceful march on the capital is ok and a general national strike. In 2 years we would have lost everything we worked for because of our greed and it would be time to start over as a country.

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                                                                                    Reply#20 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
                                                                                    {"commentId":2136992,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                                    Every state has a "weights and measures" department of some sort. The key is that if the package contains what it SAYS it contains then nothing is wrong with it. Like the old saying goes, "Let the buyer beware." This is the free enterprise system. The last time I checked it is the preferred economic system of this nation.

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                                                                                    #20.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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                                                                                    {"commentId":2136967,"authorDomain":"loril883"}

                                                                                    This is not something new. I have noticed this a few years ago when I went to buy my usual 8 oz. yogurt at the local Savemart. I was used to eating 8 ounces and it filled me up. All of a sudden I was supposed to eat 6 ounces for the same price and be full. I complained to the supermarket about it and of course they told me it was out of thier control. Now I realize what was happening. Remember the old 8 oz. yogurt. Now you are supposed to be happy with 6 oz or less. Oh, and of course they can now put that there are only 80 calories rather than the usual 100. Like that is going to make a difference.

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                                                                                      Reply#21 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":2136972,"authorDomain":"6kids3cats"}

                                                                                      My family has worked in the grocery business for several generations and I'm well aware of all the marketing tactics. My family has always been supported by this business. But I noticed that one really important aspect of pricing was missing from the article. Unit price was never mentioned. Here in NY State, not sure if it's the same in the other states, we have to have unit price tags. So there's not two different sizes on the shelves at the same time. The Unit Price tag on the shelf must show the price per ounce, pound, etc., for the customary measurement of a product. The only sneakiness is for example selling soda pop, when some retailers use ounces for one brand and quarts for another brand. So the consumer has to covert. But you can compare and the unit price must go up even when the package shrinks. I keep waiting for all packaging to become single sizing, because that costs more now, so eventually they'll all meet in the middle. So watch those unit prices and you'll know exactly what you're paying. Buy locally and cook from scratch and you'll save big.

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                                                                                      Reply#22 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":2137006,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                                      This is also a law for the state of Arkansas. Unit price must be exhibited. Again I say, read folks. It is YOUR responsibility to know what you are buying and what you are being charged.

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                                                                                      #22.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":2137164,"authorDomain":"merrylynn"}

                                                                                      another merchant checking in --I agree totally--unit price is the only fair comparison between products of equal quality. Did you need to pay more for fancy advertising--if not and the quality doesn't suffer, go generic. Better yet, buy local and fresh and keep at least some dollars in your home town/ state and help keep people employed as well. Nutrionally and ecologically, it makes much more sense to buy locally produced food, even if it appears to cost slightly more. One more thing--hold your merchant's feet to the fire about WHERE food is sourced from, especially organic. "Proudly distributed by" is NO guarantee the food is from the USA, nor safe. China has entered the organic foods world market.

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                                                                                      #22.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":2137281,"authorDomain":"mahlers2nd"}

                                                                                      I agree Mary.

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                                                                                        #22.3 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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                                                                                        {"commentId":2136993,"authorDomain":"tammyinoregon"}

                                                                                        The biggest problem I run into with product downsizing is with my old family recipes. I'm sure we all have those recipes that our grandmothers wrote down half a century ago that list "add a can of corn" or "stir in a half jar of mayonnaise," etc. Now I have to do a bunch of math conversions before I can make a simple casserole that my family has eaten for generations! Just charge an honest price and give us the product we expect!

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                                                                                        Reply#23 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
                                                                                        {"commentId":2137306,"authorDomain":"margos"}

                                                                                        I am with you. Leave the product size alone.

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                                                                                          #23.1 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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                                                                                          {"commentId":2136995,"authorDomain":"lewmtnhome"}

                                                                                          I know this has been said time and time again and I don't understand why prices keep spiriling when they do not need to be. Why don't the companies use a reusable and recyclable product. This is substituting for boxes, etc. that are opened and thrown out. Why put less in a box that is trown away?

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                                                                                            Reply#24 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
                                                                                            {"commentId":2137025,"authorDomain":"NanD"}

                                                                                            Shrinking the package size of items while still charging the same price or raising the price just a little drives me crazy. I have recipes that call for a 16 oz can of tomatoes, but all tomato cans are now 15 oz. Same for many canned, bagged or boxed items. It makes it very difficult to throw together something when you have to convert all the ingredients and makes many old recipes obsolete. Also it makes me mad when an item's packaging is redesigned so that it takes up the same amount of space in your cupboard/fridge/freezer - yet it contains less product. An example is Bryers ice cream. The package is basically the same size but the packaging is tapered so you get less and it still takes up the same space. My freezer space is precious space and it really irks me that I can't fit as much ice cream in the freezer as I used to. Also it drives me crazy when I buy the same item over and over and rely on it to contain x amount of product (or certain ingredients) and when get home to use it I realize I don't have enough and have to make a second trip to the store (or they changed the formula and its no longer something I want to eat). I tell you the amount of time I spend in a grocery store had doubled because I now read every label of every product I buy so food manufacturing companies don't slip something past me. It makes me so mad!

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                                                                                              Reply#25 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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