As American shoppers embark on their annual shopping binge , a prickly marketing question splits American consumers and stores: "Christmas" or "holiday"?
As American shoppers embark on their annual shopping binge , a prickly marketing question splits American consumers and stores: "Christmas" or "holiday"?
How should retailers greet their customers? With a hearty "Merry Christmas," a neutral "Happy holidays," or something else?
As for Christmas vs. holidays, people on both sides need to get over the PC crap and stop looking for excuses to be offended. Christians - show some sensitivity and if you know for a fact someone isn't Christian, modify your language in expressing wishes for the season. If someone greets you with "happy holidays," don't automatically take it as an insult or try to force the person into saying the word "Christmas."
Non-Christians - same as above. If someone greets you with "Merry Christmas," don't take it as an attempt to convert you. Also, like it or not, the majority of the US identifies as Christian. The celebration of Christmas is a deeply rooted tradition here, so please stop trying to force stores to stop using the word "Christmas." (I agree with separation of Church and State.) I have heard complaints that you feel "left out" during the season, but, honestly, I've never seen anyone try to prevent a store from promoting Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Ramadan or whatever. In fact, if you feel so left out, perhaps you should start a letter writing campaign encouraging stores to market to your holiday of choice. That way you, too can be relentlessly inundated by marketing campaigns promoting an impossible to achieve ideal targeted specifically to you!
I work at Starbucks, and I really don't want to offend anyone. At work I probably will not say anything until the customer says something to me. If they say "Happy Holidays," I'll reply "same to you." If they say "Merry Christmas," I will reply with "Merry Christmas." Or I might say "Merry Christmas" if it is very evident that they celebrate the holiday. Also, at Starbucks, we have the Christmas Blend coffee, which is a huge favorite of customers. We also have something called Holiday Blend. These are both the same blend of coffee, but we offer it in Holiday Blend for people who do not celebrate Christmas. We try to be as PC as possible, but it's hard at Christmas time. Seriously, people just need to chill. I celebrate Christmas, and if someone said to me Happy Chanukah, I would not be offended. I would just know they are Jewish. It's really not a big deal.
One other thing...kind of ridiculous that a Christian organization was going to sue a company because there wasn't enough "Christmas" in the store. Just get all your friends to send in their comments to the store, and next year, they will fix it. In all reality, all companies want is to make their customers happy so that they continue to return. People just gotta chill out. Christmas/Chanukah/Kwanza/whatever is supposed to be a happy time, not a time to get all PC with people. If someone tells you merry Christmas, and you celebrate Kwanza, just say so. No one is going to be mad at you. For real.
They should be greated with Merry Christmas as that is what it is. Holiday is a bartardization of Holy Day. So when you say Happy Holiday, which Holy Day are you referring to? You can say Happy Kawanza, Happy Chanukah with no problem, so why not Merry Christmas. This PC stuff is really getting rediculous!
I'm Christian but I honestly don't care if I get wished a Merry Christmas or happy Holidays. Christians shouldn't be so picky.
On the other hand, I wouldn't care if i got wished a Happy Chanukah or Ramadan (I got wished a good Roshashanah earlier this year.
The intention of the statement is to wish you well, or to capitalize on your holiday (whichever one you celebrate) spending. You should treat it by its intention and not by the specific words.
I absolutely agree with Miss Anthropy! Actually, I always thought that either was correct because there are several holidays lumped together, Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year's, Kwanzaa, Yom Kippur, etc. and so happy holidays was always correct. I personally don't care and I'm getting sick to death of all the political correctness in this country. How about saying "have a nice day" and meaning it?
Surveys show that about 98% of Americans are going to celebrate Christmas in some form or another. I was also taught that there is such a thing as freedom of religion in this country. Why, when so many people are going to celebrate Christmas, would you refer to it as any other name.
Who cares - per the Bible, Christ was born in the summertime. Just call it Shopping Month Madness.
It is a silly discussion period. It just shows how petty we are in today's world to even worry about it when there are so many other things to worry about that are more important.
For me, the "holiday" stretches from Thanksgiving to the New Year. During that period, there are many events ranging from the lesser-known- Yule, St. Lucia, etc; to the more mainstream- Christmas and Hanukkah. During that time I feel happy, and I enjoy the festive mood everywhere. It is a time of positive energy and good feeling that the world is ok. it is a time when I feel that small kindnesses can really make a difference to someone in need.
Who really cares how someone sends me good wishes. Why make it a religious thing when not everyone is a Christian? (I AM a Christian by the way). If I say "Happy Holidays", I am merely wishing you a great month of holidays. If I say "Merry Christmas", I wish you one day of happiness only.
Get over it people- it is silly to worry about. With how rude people can be to one another nowadays, isn't it nice to simply get a positive greeting period?
Happy Holidays to all!
Well said!
I am also Christian, but it annoys me that people insist on taking "happy holidays" as some sort of anti-Christmas attack. It's stupid. WE DO NOT OWN THIS TIME OF YEAR. Have some sensitivity to the fact that the other person might be shopping for Hanakkuh or some other holiday
I'm a Messianic believer, so I find myself on a unique side of the issue. I don't believe that the tradition of Christmas is a legitimate way to celbrate the Messiah, so I don't celebrate Christmas. I also associate with many mainstream Christian organizations in my work, so my family is constantly bombarded with Christmas "stuff" for months, but I have to respect that they believe their traditions are valid.
I used subscribe to Focus On The Family and the American Family Association and I stopped because of their relentless Christmas campaigns. When are so-called Christians going to realize that forcing "Christmas" down everyone's throat does not improve the holier-than-thou perception that non-believers have toward Christians? They are behaving in a decidedly un-Christlike manner. Faith is a decision that each person makes on their own, not a behavior that you can control with negative campaigning. Do they really want people to be forced to say and advertise "Merry Christmas", but not really believing it? Mass conversions went out of style centuries ago.
Most Christians I know feel like their Christmas experience isn't spiritual enough- that there is too much commercialism and materialism. Yet they give billions of dollars to Christian organizations like FOTF and AFA that put the focus back on shopping and materialism. The money that these organizations spend to force commerce and the media to put a Christian perspective on everything they do would make you sick. If they really cared, they would put that money to better use.
Look, Christmas "season" is just that, the Christmas season. The whole retail industry for ...well forever .. here in the US... got the whole thing tied to Christmas. To take the "holy" meaning out of Christmas they even created Santa Claus (or should it really be CLAUSE?). Anyway, its a Christmas based season... not the other holidays of other religions. Also, for those who are not Christian, why are you not on your soap boxes about NEW YEAR! Happy New Year is Christian based too! Jewish have their own, Islam, Chiness, etc.... Yet they all don't make a big deal out of that. But I have had some people correct me when I say Happy New Year ...tell me its not their holiday. Even though they have to deal with that calendar. Bottom line Christmas season and New Year are Christian based. The retailers should stick to that, since they marketed the Christmas season. The other holidays do not have gift giving as part of their holiday. Gift giving is based on Christ getting gifts from the 3 wise men. So bottom line, Merry Christmas! or cover your butt and say... "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!" (adding Happy New Year will stop the PC stuff!)
As for your hubris, Jesus Christ WAS a person that DID exist, and records validate his existence via Roman records in Jerusalem.
I'll be anxiously awaiting to hear from you as to exactly which records these are, because while Christians regularly invoke their existence in order to provide a justification for belief, they've never once been shown to actually exist.
It's interesting to me that, in one breath, you criticize me for being a "pompous reason-based prick," but in another breath you try to use reason to prove to me and others that your beliefs are historically justified. Furthermore, the fact that you see a "reason-based" outlook on life as something worthy of insult says a great deal about you and your aberrant beliefs.
Merry Christmas!
I do not see how wishing someone a Merry Christmas would be insulting?! It's not like calling them a dirty name or somemthing! I have been wished Happy Hannukah or Kwanzaa and never felt insulted even though I do not celebrate THOSE holidays! I will say, for me personally, Happy Holidays means Thanksgiving/CHristmas/New Years...maybe we could just say "Happy" no feast, no holiday...just "Happy"---I will admit I do not like that either. I my house it's Merry Christmas!
Personally, Happy Holidays is versatile. It's a safe house for stores. How anyone can take offence to it when it refers to any holiday there is. If they do take offence to that then they have a problem.
I have been a retail employee since 1999 with only 1 year as an exception. For 7 of those years I have been the manager of a toy department and work an extended number of hours in November and December.
Personally, I use the phrase "Happy Holidays" simply because made a personal choice not to affiliate myself with any one particular church or belief system. However, each season brings forth people who will be offended that I did not use "Christmas." My immediate response is to inform them that I am either Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheist. I then say (polietly) that I would never expect them to wish me a "Happy Hanukkah" unless they believed in it so please do not ask me to do the same. (I have close friends or family within each area.)
The purpose and the point is not to be confrontational, but to remind people that they are not alone in this world even if they are the majority. More importantly, I hope to remind our shoppers that employees are people with their own beliefs and ideas. To force a phrase on us that we do not believe in would transform our work into a personal prison where we cannot be ourselves.
However, like anyone else, we want be ourselves and enjoy what we do. As such, the phrase used is and should be left to that individual. Just as you choose to say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays", so do we. Regardless of the words used, the greeting is one of compassion, happiness and goodwill.
It is my belief that those who are offended by what word is used to wish them happiness and goodwill, regardless of their beliefs have entirely missed the point. In a world so full of sadness, why must you choose to refuse something given in peace? Why must this become a source of division among people?
In closing, if you have a problem with the words use by other people in an effort to spread goodwill, I encourage you to step back and ask yourself why you promote anger and hatred within yourself. I also encourage you to understand that you are not alone in this world and you cannot dictate the beliefs of those around you. Finally, I ask that everyone try to understand that the workers you encouter are trying to do their job and, just like everyone else, they want to be happy at work. Forcing them to use a phrase that go against their personal belief can make this very difficult. It is not that we don't respect your beliefs, we do, but we expect that you can respect ours as well.
Just because the majority of shoppers are Christian, other religions do not need to be excluded. Try using all of the holiday messages, just in case, the shopper is one of them. For example, I'd be happy to hear "Happy Yule." I'm pagan and am offended by traditional Christmas ceremonies, greetings and music. If greeted with "Merry Christmas," I'd let them know they were insulting me and may very well not come back to that store. I am tired of pagan needs and issues being ignored, just because it is not mainstream. We shouldn't have to tiptoe around and try to avoid being discovered. Rather, we pagans should be proud of our beliefs. By the way, I have never seen holiday greetings for other religions in stores. It is a Christian monopoly.
question: why would you wish anyone "Merry Christmas" on any day but December 25th? I mean it's 3 weeks till Christmas Day, but if you don't mention the holiday to perfect strangers , what? O'Reilly tells us we must acknowledge the National Holiday. How many weeks in a holiDAY? The Congress says December 25 is the Holiday. Okay?
Merry Christmas Everyone!
My management was one of those companies who said "You have to say Happy Holidays!" I believe if you come to our countries, (I'm from Canada) then you have to respect OUR holidays and traditions. It's not going to hurt you to smile and say "To you too.", even if you don't celebrate. No one needs to know other people's business, religion, or culture. It's a generic hello and goodbye here in North America at this time of year. Accept it!
Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.
If it were not for His birthday, we would not be celebrating Christmas. So the appropriate comment is Merry Christmas.
Whether or not you believe in God and His son Jesus is not the point. If you choose not to celebrate His birthday, that is up to you. It does not negate the fact that is what is being celebrated.
So I wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And when your birthday rolls around again, have a Happy Birthday (not Happy Holiday).
"Holidays" are vacation. The job provides this time whenever employees decide to take it or split it up. "Thanksgiving" is Thanksgiving, and "Christmas" should remain Christmas whether it is preclude with "Merry" or "Happy". Not everyone can afford to take "vacation" during the Christmas season, and it is a Merry and Happy time of the year! Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Well said, leave the Christians alone and start your own holiday and call it happy holidays if you want or happy Tet or whatever, us Christians don't care and will not try to make you call it something other then what it is.
I think happy holidays is something retailers should use. People often argue that chritmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ. That is a very valid agrument but they have to also keep in mind that in the US as well as in many other countries that do celebrate the occasion there are also people from other religions, both christian and non-christian. Some of these religions also happen to have some sort of special festivity that happes to coincide with the season and is also set close to December 24/25. People of Jewish faith do not celebrate christmas but they celebrate Hanukkah (sorry if the spelling is off). Stores cater to people of all religions and they need to remain neutral.
I just think that people should keep in mind that it is a season fo joy, no matter what the religion and that discussions like this really are of little use. If anything they just dampen the spirit of the season, whatever religion peole come from. In the end, no one is really going to care whether or not the present they got from thier loved one came from a store that said "Merry Christmas" or something lese, or maybe even nothing at all. What they will care about however is wheter or not the present came from the giver's heart or not.
Just my two cents,
littleamber
It has been Christmas from the VERY start. These rediculous people are on this "lets be sensitive" thing. Well, if you want things to be different from HISTORY, then take your happy tail, go to some uninhabited piece of land and start your own country. I'm sick of it. If you want to celabrate it as something different then by all means DO so, but don't expect the entire country, or world for that matter, to change history because your "feelings" get hurt because of a WORD. How about YOU be NOT so sensitive and let the words pass over you, and just be on your merry way. Please. Why does this even have to be an issue. The people who get offended, instead of enjoying the season regarless of the nature of it, are the one's growing up who were always boo hooing because things weren't going their way. Grow up already, get couseling, and stop being so sensitive.
If retailers want to satisfy their customers and increase their sales, then they should use "Happy Holidays", as simple as that. It's true that America is predominantly Christians, but that was then. Now is what matters. America has grown into a melting pot and people just need to accept that whether we like it or not. Using or saying "Happy Holiday" is not about being politically correct, but its about respecting one's belief and heritage. This is America, people!!! Whatever happens to free speech, religion and all? I'm a Christian and I deal with customers everyday and I'm sure most of us do, so grow up and accept the fact that Christians are not the only ones existing in America. "Happy Holidays" to all!!!
In my humble opinion, what does it matter who says what during this time of year. We, as Americans, have become soft and take everything that is said to heart. MY GOD people, WAKE UP!!. This Country was founded on controversy and if people are so thin skinned as to be offended by someone expressing THEIR IDEALS, Then I suppose soon the justice will soon be overcrowded with inane slander and libel suits that are frivolous. OF course the Attorneys of the world will be happy as they will be only ones to make any money.
As a person who has worked retail for over 25 years; I can say that things have changed. During my first christmas season; as a 17 year old- we were directed to wish every customer a "Merry Christmas". Now we are left to our own judgement. To somehow gauge each customer and respond as we see fit. It is a difficult tightrope to walk. I have found that if you say "Merry Christmas" most will respond in kind. Those who are offended will offer a Happy Holiday. There are those who will take the time to "forcefully" and often "colorfully" let you know that the sentiment is not returned. But thats usually after you tell them that all the WII's are sold out!
Shoppers should be able to hear a hearty "Merry Christmas!" The neutral greeting of Happy Holidays is ok, but that's just it; neutral.
Get over it. How can anyone anywhere be offended by some one wishing them a happy dayW we are too full of ourselves. Get over it.
It comes down to one single thing. AMERICA was founded on Christianity. So, no one should be able to take that away.
Say you were traveling to a new country, would you be able to have things YOUR WAY or would you have to respect their way of life and beliefs? YOU WOULD HAVE TO RESPECT THEIR BELIEFS AND GET OVER IT.
We as a nation are giving in to much. This is America, this is how it is. So, if you don't like how we live GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah, it is MERRY CHRISTMAS. See the word CHRIST in there. There is a reason for it. That is what this nation was founded upon CHRIST.
Hey, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR
We as a society have veered off the beaten path when it comes to tradition. What in the world are people and businesses thinking when it comes to changing the traditional saying, "Merry Christmas"? We've been saying it for well over a century with no adverse affects, now they want to change it. I say, "HELL NO", and let's stick with tradition.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
It is not so much what I think but what I believe was the origin of the holiday and why it is celebrated in America. Just as our country was based on a culmination of tradition and things held dear, it also included traditions and beliefs based on Christianity. As we all know a person that stands for nothing will fall for anything.
All persons to eventually migrate here found peace and happiness in the holiday but found a way to interpret it to their liking. Eventually the origin for celebrating the holiday became a watered down personal and largely comercial view than the religious beliefs that surround the holiday when it appeared here.
If you wish to interpret the holiday as anything other than based on Christianity, do so in your own home or among friends. If you disagree with the idea what exactly brought you or your family here to begin with? Just take what you want and foget the rest? No! Celebrate your own way with those close to you but acknowledge the origin and appreciate it for waht it was and should still be. A celebration of Christ!
Therefore, if we have had "tolerance" crammed down our throat the last couple decades we should teach those that disagree with Christanity to tolerate the meaning of the holiday and include Merry CHRISTmas! So merry christmas to all and to all a good night! amen!
This debate irritates me and I have no idea why its perpetuated.
Not everyone shopping in December is celebrating Christmas, so get over it and say nothing. The standard have a nice day is fine--if you have to, go with holiday---It is about the sentiment not the words---typically the store peoples sentiment is sooooo empty I would prefer them say nothing and just work on some customer service skills.
Dont be so ignorant in thinking that everyone celebrates Christmas and dont be so politically correct that you think you have to know every holiday being celebrated. To be honest --- I dont want to hear anything, just keep the lines down, keep it moving and have a nice disposition. Just remember the 3rd day of Hanukkah is on December 25th ....there are 8 days and what a surprise gifts are given out during that long holiday----people celebrating that HOLIDAY will be shopping too.
I feel that the whole country has forgotten what we were founded on. And forgot what the whole reason for the season is to begin with. Jesus was born to die for our sins. It doesn't say holiday on the 25th of December, it says Christmas. I'm sorry if that offends you, but I'll never be sorry for saying Merry Christmas to someone. If it offends you maybe you should pray about it...I know a God that loves you no matter what you have ever thought or done in the past.
Personally, I understand that everyone my not be christian and that is fine, to each his own. I do feel that the reason (meaning) of Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus (Even though we know Dec.25 isn't his actual birthday). Therefore, it should be "Merry Christmas". If you are not Christian or do not believe in Jesus, then I ask you why are you celebrating Christmas? Or are you just celebrating the gifts, commercialism, and materialist views that have become associated with Christmas?
I still am shocked at the events that happend on Black Friday in that Wal-Mart where the man was trampled to dealth. The fact that none of those people had the decency or were considerate enough to stop and help him us says to me that saving $5 on a Hannah Montana doll was more important to them than a human life, and anytime that some molded plastic toy is more important than a life we need to step back and ask ourselves "what have we become?" Then to complain when they were asked to leave so that they could attend to the man, that is so sad. I feel all those people should be held accountable for the dealth of that man.
So Christmas or Holiday? if you are simply celebrating buying presents and stuffing your self with food and treats then go with Happy Holiday's, but if you are truley celebrating the birth of Jesus, undoubtly you say "Merry Christmas".
I think that people should say Merry Christmas!! We live in a society that doesn't want to offend anyone, but people forget that without JESUS there would be no christmas!!!!
Who cares? There are plenty of other things that are more important to worry about than this and it's a ridiculous argument anyway. Some people don't even care to celebrate any of the "holidays", which is also absolutely fine, and would rather to hear "Have a nice day" than anything else.
I think what is the big deal about saying "Happy Holidays". This way everyone is covered. There are several Holidays in December so this way no-one is offended and left out.
I agree with . The comment about Christmas being part of our hertiage and being able to celebrate it was spot on (paraphrasing). Other posters said it well that being politically correct is considerate but where is the consideration of a fine tradiiton that has worked for our country for over 200 years? Ultimately it is a matter of choice on how you greet someone or advertise a holiday, but in a country that is founded on Christian beliefs and prints In God We Trust on it's money, if a company chooses to use Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays, then people sould respect that choice to follow a tradition and find some other petty issue to get offended by.
We can find a way to make an issue out of anything. Personally, I don't care if they say Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Hanukkah; Accept it! A simple "Thank you" will do. No need for correction, no need to take offence. People are being kind! Just accept it.
what ever happen to freedom of speech.this is my life , i will say what ever comes out.its x-mas , some people (you know who i mean) just got to stick there nose into everything. children ask , what is a holiday, get to the point and say merry christmas.
It should Merry Christmas hands down. Our founding forfathers were christian and to this day, the majority of our nation is christian. Drive through any city, and the majority of churches you see are christian. Therefore, majority overrules. If the person who finds "Merry Christmas" offensive an immigrant, simply tell them to go back to where they came from, because freedom of speech only applies to american citizens.
You're an idi0t. A pompous reason-based pr!ck
Just pull your head out of your a55
, judging by your above comments, you are either not a Christian, do not know how to act like one, or do not follow your religions own teaching and are therefore a hypocrite. Are you sure your Jesus would approve?
i grew up in this country as an american. i servered this country during the vietnam conflict. i always said "merry chriistmas". all the people said merry christmas in the past present and i hope in the future as well. this is my country, if you dont like how i live here, and i am not willing to change, get the hell out and go some place else.
Why is it only Christians that feel they have to be apologetic for their religion. I don't get the same vibe off Jews, Moslims, Hindus, etc.
I have been on this planet 70 years and have always said "MERRY CHRISTMAS" that is what it is. Why should I change or anyone else change this like taking out God in schools or what ever, I feel if one doesn't like it and it was here first so be it. Don't try and change what most of us grew up with. Sorry, but it is and always will be MERRY CHRISTMAS forever.
Do these PC people realize why we even have "Christ"mas - da - it is to celebrate "Christ's"birthday hence Christmas and so if you do not want to say Merry "Christ"mas maybe you should not be taking time off work and celebrating this holiday. This is very simple! I am fed up with people like some of those commenting today saying that they celebrate Christmas but do not want to recognize it for what it is. You know what - DON'T celebrate the season at all then - that's my advice. Furthermore - if you are insulted because someone thinks you are of a different ethnicity or religion for example - that tells me you are the one being rude (as one person who wrote in stated) - just think about it - that means you think the other ethnicity or religion is inferior in some way - why else would you be insulted. If someone mistakes you for the most beautiful woman in the world or the greatest athlete or the best built man in the world - or whatever - something considered favorable - would you be offended! I don't think so... What if someone mistakes you for someone else that they were meeting face to face for the first time would you be insulted? No! (or you shouldn't be) Anyway, PEOPLE WAKE UP AND GET REAL!
P.S. "MERRY CHRISTMAS" TO ALL
Born and raised in Canada I apreciate what my country has done for me and also for immigrants from around the world. When Canada gives an immigrant a canadian citizen ship it's because they want to be part of our beautiful country and freedom and not to come change this country. Merry Christmas should stand and and not be changed to happy hollidays. If u live in canada please embrasse our country and stop trying to change it. This is Canada and will always Be. Canada stands For PEACE AND PRIDE IF U CAN'T HANDLE IT LEAVE.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!! I don't see anyone censoring the name of other religious Holidays. What is so interesting and sad is why are people so threatened by Merry Christmas, Jesus Christ and Christians. We aren't a bad bunch. With so much out there challenging us today, our economy, etc. you would think we would want to pull together instead of this constant pettiness. I will be saying Merry Christmas.
I celebrate Christmas. I buy Christmas presents and a Christmas tree. I prefer Merry Christmas, but don't really get offended if people offer Happy Holidays - if they aren't worried about political correctness.
My issue comes from things like going to buy my tree and the seller offering Happy Holidays - you're selling me a CHRISTMAS TREE!! If you're selling a Christmas tree, just go ahead and offer the Merry Christmas - it's ok.
Happy Holidays???????? If thats the case then lets put an end to Kwanza and Hannakuh too. Just because you are not a Christian do not infringe on a our religious holidays. I don't infringe on yours. I respect your beliefs please respect mine. Christmas is named for Christ our Savior, to celebrate his birth. Its MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! and I celebrate with a CHRISTMAS TREE, and I send CHRISTMAS CARDS, and I attend CHRISTMAS MASS. If you have a problem with that then oh well!! There are 11 other months you can celebrate your religious holidays. Leave ours alone.
I have already posted one comment to someone else's reply but I would like to make one other here. When I wish someone a Happy Birthday, it is not because it is my birthday it is because it is their Birthday. I believe this applies to the Holidays too. I am sending someone best wishes for their Holiday season not mine. So if I know someone celebrates a particular holiday during this season those are the wishes I send them regardless of the Holiday I celebrate during this season. If I do not know, then I wish them Merry Christmas because that is the Holiday I celebrate at this time of year. Either way, my point is to give someone my best wishes for a Happy season. Let the person behind the counter wish you a happy season regardless of how they choose to phrase it, the sentiment is still the same.
First I must address a comment I keep seeing, not only regarding this question but one I kept hearing over and over in the recent election, that this country was founded on christian faith and values, this is completely false. If you actually study your history you will see that this country was found on freedom of religion (amongst other freedoms) all religions, not just the christian religion. They left Europe to escape religious persecution. Unfortunately when they got here they sugjected the natives of this land to the same persecutions they were trying to escape, rather hipocrital wouldn't you say? Further, since this country is made up of many different people, cultures etc, afterall isn't this country suppose to be a great melting pot of all peoples seeking freedom? So recognize all or none. And, to all you "christians" (my father was a fundamentalists baptist precher so I know of what I speak) I say to you who have been saying for generations to others, if you don't like it go back to where YOUR ancestors came from. I wonder what kind of reception you would receive. To all Happy Yule, Blessed Be
Wow! What emotion over a couple of words. Back off and go with the flow! When someone says "Happy Holidays" or "Merry Christmas" they are only trying to be polite. No deep, hidden agenda. It's kind of like "How are you today?" They don't really care how you are. Just being polite. I would prefer if the beast we call Christmas would be renamed The Holiday. I would like to reclaim Christ's birthday and return it to a meaningful celebration of God's plan to reach down and save us from our sin. And that includes selfishness and pride. We are all selfish and prideful, every last one of us. So stop assuming people have an agenda and just smile and try to love the person in the same manner that God loves us. Unconditionally and BEFORE we loved Him. Have a great day!
It is Merry Christmas - nothing else. Political correctness is offensive to me, and it's really tiring that we need to watch every word we say right down to greeting someone. I'm saying Merry Christmas ... not Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings or Merry "X"mas (because it's NOT Merry Allahmas or Merry Brahmamas or Merry "fill-in-your-god's name here" mas!). Christ is the reason for the season and has been since about the 4th century. While Jesus was probably not actually born on December 25th, Christmas was the Christian answer to the pagan Saturnalia rituals. It is a time when Christians celebrate and acknowledge the birth of their Savior, despite all of the commercialism where it's no longer appropriate to say Merry Christmas.
So Merry Christmas everyone ... and Happy New Year too!
Oh, and as an afterthought to my previous posting, all "christian" holidays were fashioned out of the old pagan rituals to encourage people to turn to christianity without all the bloodshed that was typical at the time by perverting their beliefs, as a matter of fact there was no such thing as christians or christianity until the birth of Jesus, there also was no such thing as satan or the devil. The virgin mary was the pagan goddess, satan or the devil is a pervison of the horned god of the hunt, for all you christian hunters out there. Just as many wise people have said history is written by the conquers not the conquered so how do you know what anyone has declared as truth since christianity was invented is truth or just of bunch of greeding men long ago who saw the opportunity to exploit this for their own ends and to control people. Don't believe me look at all these "churchs" with some many riches, their pastors living high on the hog while many of their congregations are struggling to just make ends meet. I always say the only honest preacher I ever meet was my father. When his church tried to give him a raise for $100 a week, he refused it, he said was he was making was enough to take care of his family. There's a thought for all you money hungry false prophets out there. That's enough for now, again Happy Yule, Blessed Be
North America (including Canada) has been and continues to be a Christian country: our calendar (we follow a seven day work week) and our school systems are all Christian based. I do realize that the school systems are changing or are trying to be changed to no longer reflect this system but no one seems to be opposing caledrical systems. We can't pick and choose what we like and what we don't like because our history is older than we are and it is so ingrained in who we are that we often don't even realize how Christian it is. If we were to go to other countries, we would have to change to fit in there so why do we here try to change to make them fit in here? I'm not suggesting that they fit in or go home, but their arrogancy over making our countries more suitable to them is ridiculous.
And it's not an assumption of other people sharing your beliefs so much as celebrating in a warm tradition at this time of year. So you don't believe in Christ? Don't say Merry Christmas! But don't expect everyone else to not say it to you. I am Christian and if someone wished me a Happy Hanukkha during this time of year, I wouldn't mind because I wouldn't have the audacity to feel that that person is imposing his or her Jewish faith on me. I would wish him or her Merry Christmas in return and we both get to celebrate our beliefs and our traditions.
Basically, if something of tradition offends you, don't look at it. Just because you can't accept that the majority of Americans celebrate this holiday doesn't mean that the majority of Americans don't. We do. To see "Happy Holidays" spewed across storefront windows isn't something that I agree with because it isn't traditional: it is a new-world culture clash phenomenon that is slowly destroying everything that our countries are built upon. If we take Christmas out of Christmas, where do we stop removing what our societies are based on? We need to preserve our cultures and stop assimilating them with new-Americans'. We have been here, we are here, and we will continue to be here... unless we slowly sell ourselves out on the national streetcorners.
And by the way, to write "Merry Xmas" isn't a victory for the anti-Christmas brigade. It is actually solidifying Christ in Christmas because "X" stands in for "Xavier" and "Xavier" means "Saviour". You're not crossing out Christ but reaffirming the faith.
I think that the whole thing is ridiculous. People have turned a wonderful time of year, where people are expressing goodwill towards others, into a political quagmire for retailers and everyone else. I'm Christian. I do not believe retailers should ignore that it is Christmas bringing most shoppers into their stores at this time of year. Yes, there is Hanakuh, too, and I've never been offended by seeing dreidels or menorahs advertised as what they are, nor would I be offended if someone said "Happy Hanakuh". I understand they are expressing a happy, joyful, greeting to me. The same goes for "Merry Christmas", people should NEVER be offended because it's not said to convert you, or insult you, it's said because people are joyfully expressing themselves during what they find to be a time of celebration. As for "Happy Holidays", that is perfectly fine to say, as it, too, is expressing goodwill. Why would anyone be offended by that? So Christians need to get over that. That being said....
The only frustration I find is when people complain that things should not be called "Christmas lights", or "Christmas trees", etc., because these are CHRISTMAS traditions. The fact that other non-christian people have adopted their use does not make them any less Christmas. And to be honest - people who are non-Christians but celebrate Christmas and then complain about "Christmas" everywhere need to get a clue. Christmas IS Christian, it is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ our lord, and if you don't believe, don't celebrate, but let everyone else be. You can't adopt all the Christmas trappings and then complain about the people who are celebrating the REAL reason for Christmas, that's hypocritical. Believe it or not, Christians have rights, too. Or are we the only ones that aren't supposed to have religious freedom of expression? So non-Christians need to get over it, too, and let us have our Christmas. Don't be a scrooge.
First, I would like to say I am a christian. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a christian holiday. This is marking the birth of Christ. Therefore, the correct thing to say is Merry Christmas. I'm not trying to be some extremist christian but if that saying offends you in any way then I feel you have no right to be celebrating the holiday. Also while I'm at it, how has this even became a discussion in the first place? Once again the root of the problem as with most things in today's America is corporate greed. It really makes me sad to think how things have changed since I was a child, which wasn't that long ago. So, in closing Merry christmas! And on earth, peace, goodwill towards men.
Christmas is supposed to be a celebration of Christ's Birthday. It is supposed to be religious in nature, and "Happy Holliday" is a slap in the face for those who still believe!
The fact that this matter has come up is testiment to the fact that we no longer see this as a religious holiday, but as another excuse for gluttony and greed. The religious quality of the holliday has been so burried in the Mass Marketing Machine that perhaps it no longer matters. What a SHAME. And the stress that we experience durring the holiday is definately anything BUT Joyous!
The other fact is that this "Holiday", as we celebrate it, has never been about Christ's Birthday. It is a collection of Pagan beliefs that the Christian/Catholic Church took on to make it easier for the "Pagans" to accept that they must be converted. The tradition of the Christmas tree came from a pagan holiday. The tradition of giving gifts came from a rich man, "Saint" Nicholas, who gave to the poor. And, guess what. Christ was NOT born on December 25!
I quit celebrating most Christian Religious Hollidays a long time ago. They have lost their meaning for most that do celebrate them. WHat I do is donate my time, either baking for a holiday dinner, or helping with cash, or even helping out with serving the dinner. It means much more to me and is FAR LESS stressful!
However, it is still "Merry Christmas" for me. I am unashemedly christian and I wish that others would respect my beliefs. Still, if I had a friend that did not share my beliefs, I would say "Happy, or Merry,.......(what ever)" to them!
We, as Americans, have the right to express our personal beliefs. If you were to go to ANY OTHER country and tell them that "I do not believe as you do, so do not express your beliefs because it is insulting to ME" I Think that you would be laughed into embarasment or perhaps Deported or even jailed!
MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone!
This whole political correctness thing drives me nuts. I'm just fine with hearing Merry Christmas, because as far as I know December 25th is Christmas, or so it says on my calendar. And no, I'm not a Christian. I celebrate a different holiday. Big deal. Is the wisher of Christmas tidings purposely trying to offend me, step on my toes and cram their religion down my throat? Of course not. The wish of Merry Christmas to me is more in the spirit of enjoying the happiness and family togetherness of the holiday season - not a reason to get offended and take up arms over a cause.
It simply astounds me that humans could turn a time of peace and goodwill and giving to others (REGARDLESS of what your religious affiliation is) into a hissing and spitting match over whose religion was here first and when so and so was really born, and the list goes on ad nauseum. Personally I'd rather enjoy myself and my loved ones instead of listening to the political correctness police and a pack of Scrooges that are laboring under the delusion that they have some kind of "right" not to be offended try to ruin the spirit of things.
Jesus Christ is the reason for the season. Gift giving was started by the 3 Wisemen to pay homage to the new born King "Jesus Christ" therefore we should not take Christ out of Christmas as in Xmas or omit using or saying Merry Christmas. If there wasn't Christianity there would not be a Christmas or (Holiday) shopping season. Although I respect Freedom of Religion, I don't want anyone not giving me the same courtesy. The other religions do not spend lots of money on gifts for gift giving. It is the Christians who do this. This is also the time of year that most retailers depend on to make it or break it for the year. So retailers keep this in mind.
So, as a Christian, should I be offended if someone wishes me a Happy Haunnaka even tho I celebrate Christmas?
I think the greetings offered should be taken as good wishes There aren't many who can just look at a body and "know" what they celebrate this time of year. I find Happy Holidays to be generic and it leaves me with no warm fuzzies - which I like this time of year.
I have been offered an occasional Happy Haunnaka and not been offended because I don't feel the person offering the greeting is saying "Hey, have a happy Jewish holiday or go butt a stump". I feel the greeting is offered in the spirit of the season and I will respond with Merry Christmas. No need to hysteria or anger - just accept the good wishes and offer your own!
Christ was born and died for our sins. Not just my sins or a Catholic's or a Baptist's. He died for our sins whether you be Christian or not. This country was founded on Christianity and we celebrate Christ's birth on the 25th of December. I personally am not offended by the wording be it Christmas or Holiday. Do you really think that Jesus/God is sitting up there in heaven keeping a list of those who say one or the other? Jesus loved all people, but especially the sinners, I don't think he really minds whether or not we say Christmas or Holiday. When children ask their parents what the big deal is... perhaps Christ's will is being done.
Karen
customers should boy cott any business that restricts their empoyees from wishing us a Merry Christmas during the Christmas season. Wal-mart learned from this and others stores can too. Please boy cott L.L Bean for their telling employees that they can't wish callers a Merry Christmas.
It's pretty ignorant to assume that only Christians celebrate Christmas.
Go watch "The Santa Clause". No Baby Jesus in there. It's an AMERICAN CULTURAL holiday. Peace on Earth, Good Will yadda yadda. It's about sharing and giving and opening your hearts etc. There is so much anti-Christianity going on these days that anything even remotely associated with it is aggressively attacked by those who think it's there lot in life to rid the world of Christians ...... Do your kids get chocolate for Easter or do you get all freaked out about THAT being an evil right wing conspriacy too?
Why is it that you PCers go out of your way to value everything and everyone right up to those who celebrate Christmas? Let's here you crap on Muslims and their holiday - or maybe Jews and their holiday. Does "Happy Kwanza" offend you? I want to hear you get all in the face of someone who wishes you a Happy Kwanza. ....... yeah...I didn't think so......
Merry Christmas. Peace on Earth.
Simple. This is America "One Nation under GOD!!" We say MERY CHRISTMAS!!!
However, the smart thing to do, as a retailer who needs to appeal to everyone, is to have signs that say both. There can also be signs that have other specific greetings, such as Happy Hanukkah, etc.
I'm sick and tired of seeing "Happy Holidays" everywhere. Although diverse, this is a primarily Christian country. I have no problem with other religions and their traditions, but by the same token, I want this upcoming significant Christian holiday to be acknowledged and celebrated by the proper terminology and greetings. This is THE CHRISTMAS SEASON and retailers make the majority of their money because of CHRISTMAS. Why is it that Americans are CONSTANTLY catering to other ethnicities and religions by not "offending them". Well, you know what..I'M OFFENDED, as a Christian, that I can not be wished a "Merry Christmas"!
I agree with happy hollidays. Its safe its better; if its a bigger deal and someone say 'merry christmas' you can correct them and be like 'actually I don't celebrate christmas but merry christmas to you.' As for the person who said that 'happy hollidays' was a bastardization of the holy day. a) your a intolerant idiot. B) in that cause you should keep your mouth shut and not wish anyone anything until December 25th, because christmas is on the 25th- not the whole month of december.
Happy Holidays is the most heartfelt and kind way to appropriately address complete strangers.
Christmas is ONE day people. To be correct, only say it ON Christmas, ok? Merry Christmas.
Hannukah is eight...go ahead, say it for eight days, Happy Hannukah!
Kwanzaa...I admit I know nothing about, I believe I heard it is several days, but I could be wrong. Happy Kwanzaa!
And the actual beginning, the Yule. Celebrated on the longest night of the year, celebrated in honor of the sun's re-birth...Winter Solstice. The burning of the Yule log, and a time of peace and contemplation. Merry Solstice!
What does it matter? How can so many of you be so very angry with the world? People who are so offended by a heartfelt "Happy Holidays"? People who would walk out of a store where they did not bow down to their perception of the holiday?
Really? Is that really what Christ did?
Christ, who you are supposed to EMULATE since you are CHRISTians and all that, LOVED EVERYONE. HE was LOVING and kind to ALL.
Good job acting exactly the opposite.
For those of you claiming "this country was founded on christan principles" blah blah blah
THIS COUNTRY was STOLEN from the native americans. NATIVE americans. Read it. Understand it.
We killed them and stole from them until they are nothing but some people on PIECES, tiny little pieces of land, when they have the right to all of it. We only have it because we were bigger and stronger and more heartless.
This country, as it is, was founded in a sincere desire to get away from RELIGIOUS TYRANNY. Oh yes, I said it.
There is a reason seperation of church and state was put into the constitution.
Read that document again sometime. I think you all forget where we really came from.
Finally, for those who like to say Jesus is the reason for the season?
No.
Sorry.
The reason for the season is the Earth's tilt on it's axis. It causes this little thing called winter in this hemisphere.
Happy Holidays to all of you. I truly hope you have a lovely time, and a wonderful new year.
During a time when I did not celebrate Christmas, I worked during the Christmas season in retail. When customers wished me a Merry Christmas, I responded "Thank you, you too." They weren't offended, I certainly wasn't offended, and no one went away angry. Makes me ask what's the big deal!?
The thing about this debate that gives me a pain is that a SMALL percentage of the population has decided they don't like to hear Merry Christmas or see the American flag waving or hear public prayer (you get the picture), and the REST of the population, thanks to the ACLU, has to give up their rights to say, see, or hear. What happened to protecting all Americans' right?!?
I also happen to respect others who don't celebrate Christmas and don't force my beliefs on them. My husband is Muslim, and I know a number of other Muslims. They don't celebrate Christmas, but they respect the rights of others who do. They are NOT offended if wished a Merry Christmas. My husband, who has never really celebrated Christmas until now, is excited about the whole experience. He wants to see it all. And his Muslim friends are very supportive of that.
I say Live and Let Live and don't stomp all over someone else's beliefs and rights.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! or Happy Holidays!
Why are Christians angered when "Merry Christmas" is taken out of stores? Shouldn't we really be angered when Christ is used as a marketing strategy? When Christ is used to entice millions of people further into debt? To distract us from the celebration of His birth by saying "Merry Christmas, buy more?" Christmas, to Christians, is not about presents. When we shun stores for their removal of "Merry Christmas" from their marketing strategy, we aren't seeing the beauty in the decommercialization of this holy day. Instead, we are pleading with stores to endorse sales with a Christ stamp. We are asking them to capitalize on Christ's birth! Think about it. Isn't this the very thing Christ would turn the tables on?
I haven't read all the comments here, but I agree with the general points of the few I have read; the PC crap IS ridiculous; this distinction is just another way in which we can promote polarization; and, sorry, but this particular "holiday" was Yule long before it was Christmas - just another tradition/symbol the Christians stole from the Pagans, but I won't get into that. Bottom line, the "spirit" of the season is nondenominational - we ALL can feel more loving, forgiving, generous and expansive if we choose to, no matter what, if any, deity we believe in. It would serve us all well to focus on that, rather than devicive semantics!
CHRIST is the reason for the "holiday." Therefore, we should say Merry Christmas.
I feel sorry for all of you who are so adamant about denying Christ. I know there is a heaven and a hell. Do you want to suffer and be in pain for eternity or be in paradise? I strongly encourage you to actually sit down and read the Bible.
There are some traditions that are worth keeping. "Merry Christmas" has been the traditional greeting for this holiday season for centuries in most parts of the world. This isn't about what is "Christian"; it is about what is accepted. If we change the standard greeting to "Happy Holiday's"; what makes this "Holiday" any different than Easter, Labor Day, Independence Day or even Ground Hogs Day? Each Holiday worldwide hold significant meaning to the citizen's of that region and "Christmas" is no different here.
Granted, "Christmas" represents the "Birth of Christ" that other religions and atheists find unacceptable. However, this is where tolerance comes in. Using America as an example, are we going to do away with Jewish Holiday's such as "Rosh Hashanah" or "Yom Kippur"; or the African American Holiday's such as "Kwanzaa "or "Juneteenth". Plus, let's not forget the American Muslim Holiday of "Ashura", Japanese "New Year"; Chinese "Lunar New Year"; Baha'i "Naw Ruz"; Buddhist "Vesak"; Mexican "Cinco De Mayo"; Hindu & Sikh "Lohri"; and India Republic Day. These are just a few "Holidays" celebrated in America and the list goes on. Are we, in the interest of equality and fairness, willing to do away with all ethnic group holidays, using only one banner "Happy Holidays"? I don't think so.
The founding principle of this country was "Freedom of Religion". This country was created allowing individuals to express or not express their religious beliefs freely. In the ever increasing age of apostacy sweeping this country, to discontinue one "religious" symbol is opening the door to discontinuing all religious expression and beliefs. This is not about separation of "Church and State"; what we are facing is a growing movement to discredit and destroy public expression and foundation of all religion, starting with the Christian.
Looking at this attitude from a cynical "retail" point of view; why should shoppers spend more in December when the "Christmas" holiday; becomes just another "Happy Holiday" generalized in the American economy. What Atheists and "Christmas Haters" tend to forget; "Christmas" may symbolize the "Birth of Christ" to many; however, "Christmas" also is a physical remembrance each of us has to make an others life a little better and be kinder to others. This personal obligation would, I fear in a short time, be lost in the "Retail Industry" generalized "Happy Holidays".
In conclusion, this is where "free agency" comes into play. We can continue a season of "Merry Christmas" that allows us to express a kinder, spiritual side of our nature; or give in to the growing apostacy trend, pleasing disgruntled atheists and greedy retailers, by generalizing the season to "Happy Holiday's". The choice is yours - I've already made my choice.........."MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!".......................
Christians need to stop being so insecure with their faith! Yes, Christmas is the dominate holiday in the winter season, but it is not even close to the only one!! The holiday season starts with Thanksgiving and goes through New Years, so in my opinion the best greeting is Happy Holidays as it is inclusive to all.
However, I would never be offended if someone wished me a Merry Christmas, and I have a hard time understanding how anyone could. I would, however, be VERY offended if some 'Holier-Than-Thou' Christian took offense to a greeting of 'Happy Holidays' and have seen several store clerks berated by customers for saying that. The holiday season should be a time of joy and not this petty battle over words.
It seems to me that only people who are very insecure with theirselves and their faith (or lack of a faith) would take issue with either greeting.
Seriously, don't people have bigger things to worry about? This reminds me of a couple who sued the state of California because their marriage license said "party A and party B" instead of Bride and Groom. High class worries, I guess. Seriously, get over it.
You're an idi0t. A pompous reason-based pr!ck.
Way to invalidate your incredibly salient point, Gimmeabreakoradrink.
Really???? Of all the things in the world, "Merry Christmas" is that offensive to you. Get a life, you really are not that special. I suppose you will get offended if you are having a bad day and I say "Good day to you." Is your life that pittiful that you have to bring down someone elses generous cheer.
If someone says "Merry Christmas" and you are not a Christian, or another believer in the Christmas spirit, than say "Good day" and leave it at that.
Get over yourself, and by the way.....
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Quite frankly, it does not matter how people greet you in the season. Isn't the true spirit of the holidays one of peace and love? Maybe if it offends you that some one says "Happy Holidays," or "Merry Christmas," you need to serious take a survey of yourself. How many people would be offended if when they said, "Merry Christmas," they were in turn greeted with a "Happy Kwanza!" Would they freak out? It is meant in the same spirit.
No one should be forced to greet anyone in any way, so take a greeting for what it is: A Greeting of Peace and Love and Joy. Everything else is just worthless and our lives are too short for this nonsense.
Christmas is a Christian holiday so Merry Christmas or Happy Christmas as some people say is the appropriate greeting. I always say Happy Hanukah to my Jewish friends and they say Merry Christmas to me. I'm sick of the PC crap.
I would choose a common sense approach. Not everyone is celebrating during the Christmas (I'm a christian) season -- even some christians (Jehovah's Witnesses, etc) don't celebrate Christmas. So a neutral "Holiday" theme should be adapted for the storefront with celebration specific signage located at celebration specific product locations. Then if cashiers see someone buying Christmas items, it's safe to wish them a Merry Christmas IF the cashier is comfortable with doing so. If the customer is buying a season neutral item -- they'll probably be happy with the usual "Thank You." If the customer appears to be celebrating something that the cashier isn't sure about, "Happy Holidays" should be fine. If the customer's purchase demonstrates that they are celebrating some other holiday, jewish, etc and the cashier is familiar with that, by all means wish the person a happy whatever.
People really need to get over themselves and understand that it's not all about them -- what they believe or don't believe. Common courtesy and common sense should rule the day. It's really that simple.
I think its stupid that we are talking about this. It's AMERICA! We shouldnt have to be told that we are to only use Happy Holidays. My problem is with these athiests who have nothing better to do than to act like a bunch of children to try to get their way. Its fine if they don't believe in any God but they don't need to make things worse for everyone else! Christians don't try to take your rights away, so why try taking our rights to saying Merry Christmas away. Its really dumb in my opinion. Just like Under God! Dont worry about it! One day you athiest will be judged on the day of Judgement! MERRY CHRISTMAS and MAY GOD BLESS EVERYONE!!
As someone who isn't christian, I think it's ridiculous that anyone would be offended by "Merry Christmas". To me, it is a holiday, not a religious celebration. Embrace it as a holiday and you won't be offended. The word only has special meaning to a christian.
I'm 72 yo and I'm sick and tired of being so d----- politically correct. I think it is time that the majority ruled. We are far and away a Christian nation. When in Rome...
Christmas is Christmas. If you don't like it, then celebrate something else. Christmas is a Christian holiday. Deal with it.
Merry Christmas is and has been the traditional greeting .There is no need for further discussion. The End. Merry Christmas.
I completely understand a worldly view of not wanting to offend anyone who may not celebrate Christmas or what have you. In my own personal opinion, I believe that this nation was built in God's name... It's on the Dollar you spend at that very retail shop. Christmas is the celebration of God's birth. Why on earth would we take Christ out of Christmas. People who come to America, People who were born right here in America know that. I would lose my job before I took Christ out of Christmas and bow down to an individual telling me to do so. It is not my wish to offend anyone. It offends me to not be able to speak my belief either. As said perfectly above it's very simple. Merry Christmas! and A Happy Holiday! No offense to anyone. Have a wonderful season and may all of you be filled with the peace, joy and love sent from above! Merry Christmas all.
This entire debate is doing nothing but creating contention between those in favor of "merry Christmas" or "happy holidays." Whether you are celebrating Christmas or a holiday, isn't the creation of such feelings in violation of the point of either? Grow up and realize that most people whether they say "merry Christmas" or "happy holidays" are not trying to make an opinion changing statement but simply wishing you well. Take it for what it really is.
why do we always have to change stuff leave it the way its always has been, "merry christmas". i say it even at work i dont care who i offend cuz thats my way of saying it if you dont like it then suck it up. life isnt always perfect, deal with it, cuz im not making any arrangements to accomodate someone else.
It is a greeting!!!!! It is absolutely rediculous that people these days need something to sue people over. How does this offend anyone. Pretty soon we won't be able to say hello to eachother, and we will wonder what happened to make people so bitter. Come on people!!! If you are too stupid to accept a cheerful greeting, then you need to talk to a professional about your social anxiety.
I am a non-Christian and I don't cringe when someone says, "Merry Christmas." We all know that the whole Holiday Season started because of Christmas. We get a day off on Christmas and not on Chanukkah or Kwanza or Eid or Diwali.
Although, I believe the Government Agencies should refrain from focusing on Christmas, private sectors should embrass Christmas. I'm not a Christian yet I buy Christmas gifts for my family members and exchange them on Christmas eve.
I think the US is becoming too Politically correct. God is God be He/She Yaweh, Allah, Bhagwaan or whatever you want. I don't think anyone should be offended by "Merry Christmas." What people should be offended by are bigger things like letting our young soldiers die in Iraq for a useless cost. Or the killings in Sudan. Or innocent people dying because of terrorist attacks. Who in the world gets offended by a warm greeting of "Merry Christmas?" I know, people who have nothing better to do.
Merry Christmas to all and God Bless!
This discussion should not be taking place but ridiculously is. Christmas is a time to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. It is good that you do celebrate the season if you are a non-believer but should not disrespect our celebration by changing our traditions. The majority of America is Christian. Let the retailers say "Christmas" in anything that is sold in preparing to celebrate the birth of Christ. May you, the non-believer and unknowledgable in the power of the Lord, find him before your life's journey is complete.
I worked 36 years with the (in those days) largest retailer. We had signs everywhere, all sizes, that used both. We used the Merry Christmas theme, but we did use Happy Holidays too. The majority of this country wants to keep the real meaning of Christmas, but we can't offend the minority. It's ok if they offend us.
What is the season for which we say "Seasons Greetings?" Are we celebrating the season of gray days, shorter periods of sunshine, longer nights, freezing roads and higher than average utility bills? Why are we spending money at retailers? What's all the gift giving about anyway...is it everyone's birthday ALL at once. NOT! Its a celebration and not just any celebration. Its one that's celebrated all over the world for a man, born of a virgin, conceived from the Creator of ALL things tangible, man, animal, material, and existential! The season has traditionally been to celebrate the birth of this man, Jesus, considered the Savior of all those Christian. Oh...and another point, I don't of any non-Christians that refust to take the paid time off from their jobs for the Christmas Holiday so why is it so politically uncorrect to call the holiday what it actually is...Merry CHRISTMAS!
A person can say whatever they want to say. Some people might just say the first thing that comes out of their mouth, like me. It's a time to be happy. A time for family. for a lot, a time for faith. But how can their be joy or faith when everyone has to worry what they have to say? What needs to be said hasn't been changed because of the "towel heads" (which, by the way, is the dumbest thing ever.) or the "muslims"; it's been changed becase people won't stop whining about what can be said! Be happy! They're are people in worst places that don't worry what others will think of them, if they happen to say "happy holidays". Walk it off. The month is almost over. If you can't handle it for a few weeks, then maybe you should go on a long, needed, vacation.
When referring to a religious holiday one would say Merry Christmas....When referring to a commercial holiday one would say Happy Holidays. Christmas really has nothing to do with commercialism....unless you are a pagan....
Well, this is "CHRISTMAS" time and I think that we should be celebrating "CHRISTMAS". If people are offended at the things of Christmas and want to celebrate the "Holidays", I don't see anything at all wrong with designating a different day for celebrating the "Holidays", whatever that may be. Then all the retailers won't have to choose what to say. I haven't seen people getting offended at the words "Happy Halloween" or "Happy Thanksgiving" but when it comes to a day we celebrate the birth of Jesus some people just find it so offensive when this is the reason for Christmas in the first place. Let's just add the "Holidays" to the calendar and leave Christmas alone. Yes, Darlene-760141, Merry CHRISTMAS!
I always say Merry Christmas ...but the "holiday season" actually starts on Thanksgiving and goes through New Years Day. So therefore it is Ok in my book to say Happy Holidays but don't leave Christmas out of advertising or change Christmas tree or other Christmas stuff to Holiday tree. I mean we don't make people who celebrate Hanukkah or Kwanzaa change what they say or buy to "Holiday". I also don't start saying Merry Christmas until a few days before. (Unless I know I'm not going to see that person again before Christmas). We don't start saying Happy Valentine's Day or any other holiday a month before that day so why not say Happy Holidays during the month of December.
"The season has traditionally been to celebrate the birth of this man, Jesus, considered the Savior of all those Christian."
*Sigh*
Jesus was not born on December 25. I know this seems irrelevant, because that's the day you celebrate his birth anyway, but it's not. When the fledgling Christian religion was attempting to gather followers in Rome, they conveniently moved their holidays to already standing Pagan holidays. You celebrate Easter directly on the Spring Solstice, and while we've finally set a date for Christmas, for a long time it fell on the same day as the pagan Yule season which begins during the Winter Solstice. Somehow, after the religion became popular, other religious holidays migrated towards the same date. If there's a party going on, nobody wants to be excluded. That's why so many holidays fall at the same time. You don't get to claim that date as "your day." It didn't start off as your day, it belongs to everyone, no matter what they celebrate.
Comments like this are what cause this rediculous debate to begin with. At first, as an athiest, I assumed that somebody's wishes of "Merry Christmas" were simply wishes of goodwill during a festive season. Now, with this whole Christmas vs. Holiday war, it's hard to tell if somebody's wishing me well or condemning me to hellfire, which strikes me as completely against everything this season is supposed to stand for. I'm not going to judge stores one way or the other, based on what holiday term they use. I, of course, would appreciate more religious diversity, but... seriously, Holiday Trees? Can't we strike a middle ground? And, since this is America, it is naturally the choice of the business' owner, not the choice of some lobbying group or the government or the "will of the majority."
My point is simply this. Share your season. Share the joy and happiness and good will that's supposed to come with it. Don't use it as an excuse to beat somebody else over the head with your views. And when somebody wishes you a "merry christmas" or a "happy holiday" consider smiling and thanking them for their polite well-wishing.
Christmas has been celebrated for hundreds of years. America adopted the season of Christmas from its early settler days. Why it should come in to question just amazes me. Political correctness is all about silencing the American majority in favor of any daft upstart group or haters of Christians. Christianity and belief of God has been the strength of America. Now it is popular to laugh at the very faith that gave America morals and ethics. Look around and see where greed, immorality and lack of ethics is leading our country. Americans need to speak up for the truth of our heritage.
I have worked in the Shopping Center industry for the last eight years. I worked for the second largest Real Estate Investment Trust in the U.S. Suffice it to say, that I have encountered arguments on both sides of the fence.
The Happy Holidays vs. Merry Christmas "debate" is really the least of the concerns I have come across. You have to figure in Hannukah (or Channuka) and Kwanza. I am sure there are others as well. This company was built by, and owned by a Jewish Family in a country (USA) that is predominantly Christian of one form or another. The easiest, most innofensive way to greet consumer when entering one of the over 200 regional and super-regional shopping centers is to say either "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings." This way, you do not run the risk of offending anyone and do not assume they share the same beliefs as yourself.
Christmas is a holiday celebrating the birth of Christ. If non-Christians don't like it being called Christmas let them go have their own holiday and call it whatever they want, just leave our holiday alone as we honor our Lord and savior. I don't believe we ever asked you to participate in the first place!!! So if you choose to take part call it what it is and celebrate what it is all about. I for one am sick and tired of Godless people trying to hijack our celebration.
How are holidays determined? Does the Federal Government, the Congress, vote to pass a statute proclaiming a certain date as a holiday? Does the statute give the holiday a name? What does the statute call the holiday for December 25th? I grew up knowing it as Christmas. I think it's an official holiday thus I think it would have to be authorized by statute. Can anyone provide this info? I think it might put to rest the question of Christmas vs Holiday.
merry chritmas to all of you and happy new year.
Retailers should greet their customers with Merry Christmas and not Happy Holidays. I have yet to meet anyone that purchases Easter or New Year presents or trees. If Christmas were to suddenly stop the stores would go broke, this is a make or break time for most stores. If other people want to celebrate other holidays then fine but the traditions of this country should not be stopped because some people get their feelings hurt, get over it.
Happy holidays! It is rude to assume someone shares your beliefs. I celebrate Christmas and have no problem with people and organizations who don't know me to wish me well with a generic greeting. There is no way for the person behind the counter to know whether you celebrate Christmas, Hannakah, Winter Solistice, etc. It's also unreasonable to expect stores to list out all the holidays that occur this time of year.
I don't notice people who celebrate holidays other then Christmas complaining their holiday isn't being spotlighted.
We should be promoting diversity. Not saying my holiday is bigger and better and more important then yours so use mine by name. That behavior is the antithesis of what Christmas stands for.
Oh and I hope someone responds to Miss Nash's greeting challenge with an "I'm Jewish". The fact that she thinks she has a right to be wished a Merry Chirstmas is ridiculous. And saying she does so because her husband went to Iraq? Wonderful - I know lots of people including family that have fought there. That entitles me to nothing. Our military membe rfight for our freedoms, one of which is religious. In case Ms. Nash has forgotten that mean for everyone not just those who celebrate Christmas.
Tell me Emlyan, where do you find the words antithesis and diversity promoted in the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
emlyan
exactly well said
unfortunately all the "christians" will not understand any of it
heck the "christians" don't even like other "christian sects" the evilgelicals are always calling the catholics the great whore and a cult, both the evilgelicals and the catholics call the mormons a cult, then they all call the jehovah witness a cult, heck the southern baptist don't get along with the northern baptists and on and on and on it goes
I find those who scream the loudest over the supposed war on christmas are the furthest from being a Christian than most. They all spew their translation of the gospel of jesus as the word the never changing word yet they all have such different translations one would need a big chart to figure out who believes in what
I will end by saying if the supposed "christians" indeed lived according to the actual teachings of Christ we would not be having this discussion because it just would not be an issue, people would love their neighbors and this would just be all a bunch of non issue instead of a bunch of nonsense
so tell me great seekgod'struthalways where in your bible does it say to celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25th while you're at it were in your bible does it say to celebrate easter?
Here's a tip for you ... many many years before christianity the pagans celebrated solstice otherwise known as the birth of the sun then the christians in their march to convert pagans said hey look we celebrate the birth of the son, then stole the yule log, the christmas tree and decorating all from the pagans for a holiday they just made up
Emlyan> I have said, "I'm sorry but I'm Jewish." It usually illicits a shocked look almost as if it was the last thing they expected to hear.
Seek God's Truth Always> You're name alone speaks to the idea of constantly looking for truth. Here is my belief of truth in the gospel of Jesus: He came before us and told us that the God depicted in the old testimate was not true. He told us that we would be forgiven if we believed this, that we believed in him and his message and we were kind and respectful to each other. He was then killed by the ruling majority for speaking blasphemy to the world. After his death, his word became the new truth which you follow now.
Sadly, the moral of the story is often missed even though it is very clear; You never know who will speak the truth that you seek. You will not know of His return until after you have had the opportunity to chose to listen or walk away. So in TRUTH, even those who seem to speak blasphemy now may be speaking a truth embraced by the world to come. The question is, will you be one to listen and have an open mind, or will you be part of the mindless sheep that once put Jesus to death? I hope, truly, that you believe in seeking God's truth because to do so requires an open mind, an open heart and the willingness to listen.
And for everyone else> Do not use our men and women over seas as you personal platform to express your views. A close friend of mine is currently scanning the side of a road wondering if that discoloration of the dirt or discarded tire will end his life. I have too much respect for him and what he does to use him to promote my views. Remind those people you encounter who do that it is those people who have put their life on the line who are entitled to the respect associated with their efforts. There is no halo effect. You do not gain that from just standing nearby. Support them, respect them and wish them well, but do not use them. Using them is simply disrespectful in every aspect.
Christmas is an American holiday in which we celebrate the birth of Christ, whether you like it or not. You don't have to celebrate it if you don't want to, that's what makes America Great. But those that came to live here from other countries and those that chose not to believe in Christ, Stop trying to take Christ out of our Christmas, it's our choice to believe in Him. I also believe that companys and businesses should be able to display Merry Christmas or happy holidays if they chose without being hammered by PC people, get over it.
Christians in the US (and only the US) think this country was founded for the freedom of the belief of Crist. They are wrong. This country was founded to avoid the heavy taxation and monopolized religion of England. Maybe they should have paid a little more attention in history class?
I am orthodox catholic, and we celebrate our christmas in January, so I have never once been wished a merry christmas at the approriate time. So do not assume that all catholics or christians celebrate as you do. Nor in being the "melting pot" the US was idealized as, should Christians be "offended" that they are wished a happy holiday, your messiah taught tolerance as one of his main prinicples, so why would you take offense that all other sun based religions celebrate at the same time of year?
December 25th is just my fathers birthday in our family.
Happy holidays is the most appropriate, or a simple Happy Rama-hanna-quanz-mas would do.
I am terribly sorry that your vision of this nations history is blurred. Christians in England were being persecuted for their beliefs in State operated churches. They fled England to the new world where they settled in harsh enviroments and eventually, Thanksgiving was first introduced. Later, our Founding Fathers, all Christians, Noah Webster who could recite any scripture from the Bible as he had the entire book memorized, sat down and realized that King George had violated 42 Biblical violations, the taxes being one of them. It was then that our Founding Fathers began the discussion of Independence. Each man was a Christian and thus this nation was born. All presidents where to be Christians stated James Madison our 5th President. He stated that only Christians should occupy the office of Presidency and the White House. The nations motto should be: In God we trust. And prayer was to be in schools and all other institutions and that is why many Federal buildings such as the Supreme Court has the ten commandments inscribed upon it, a constant reminder for us to follow God's law. It has only been over the years that man has drifted from God and removing Him from almost everything. But again, this is has been and always will be a English only, Christian nation and may God bless us all.
Ernlyn : "it's rude to assume someone shares your holday" (or something like that). So if I say "have a nice day" is it rude to assume that you would like to have a nice day?
Given that MOST Americans (Westerners for that matter) DO IN FACT CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS I'd have a pretty good shot of NOT offending someone for saying "Merry Christmas" to them.
And guess what, if you wish me "Happy Hanakuh" I will say "You too" and be happy that someone took the time to wish me a Happy anything! It's think that that would be a normal reaction for anyone who doesn't have corn cob up their chiminey..... 8-)
Gees people. Regardless of what you call this time, what happened to the notion of brotherly love?!? Isn't that what it's supposed to be about?
rbach, while Christmas was originally a pagan celebration of the solstice and based on superstition, Christians didn't take over and make it a Christian holiday. They were in the land with pagans, not by choice, and some of the traditions rubbed off on them, and they eventually began celebrating Christmas at this time or year. Check your facts.
Why does everyone care so much about what to say or why to say it, instead of just saying "thank you for not greeting me with a gun to my head and making me believe the same as you." "Thank you for respecting my beliefs and my right to celebrate."
I guess if you don't like the feelings and the words, you should just stay home from November to January.
yet more crap about this country being founded on christian values
that is just nonsense
read some factual history and find the founders were not christian although some were involved the majority was not. we do not live in a theocracy we live in the United States of America were there is freedom of religion which is also freedom from religion
get a grip there is a cure for your ailment it is called education
Happy Holidays to all
I am in my mid sixties and this is the season that everyone celebrates CHRISTMAS. I realize that there are other religions here in the U S A. and they are more than welcome to celebrate their religious beliefs, but happy holidays...I don't think so. It's like forcing this country to learn a second language so we can converse with others. This country was founded on people coming here and learning our language, not us learning theirs.
Why would anyone want their religion, their beliefs linked to the spending orgy that takes place this time of year? Are you really celebrating the birth of Christ when you spend as much as your credit will allow? Are his lessons of an austere, yet powerful life conveyed to your children when you indulge their every desire? I think you’ve gone to the wrong place if you are looking to your shopping mall for the reason for the season.
What's wrong with "Happy Holidays"? Doesn't that include Christmas as well as all the other holidays people celebrate? Or does your holiday and your religion just have to stand out to make you feel oh so special and self-righteous?
"that everyone celebrates CHRISTMAS" WRONG, not everyone celebrates christmas, which by the way is just a rip off of the winter solstice celebrations that have been going on since before your religion broke off from its orriginal Abrahamic religious roots (Judaism). And YOUR Holiday Christmas was Banned by the Catholic Church in its infancy as a PAGAN practice stemming out of the Sol Invictus celebrations, Christian churches eventually recognized the sustained practices as a Christian festival in various cultures within the past several hundred years, allowing much of the folklore and traditions of local pagan festivals to be preserved. So today, the old festivals are still celebrated in many parts of Europe, but the "Christian Nativity" is now often representational as the meaning behind the holiday. This is why Yule and Christmas are considered interchangeable in Anglo-Christendom. And no one is trying to force you to do anything, it is you trying to force your views on others by getting offended that they do not celebrate in the way you want. And this country was founded by invaders who came in killing the indigenous peoples and taking their land by calling them heathens because they did not follow Thee right religion nor speak the same as un (The invaders), but that is a different topic all together.
This country was founded on people coming here and learning our language, not us learning theirs.
TR - Thank you for such an intelligent, and correct, comment.
No Larry, not everyone DOES celebrate Christmas. That's the point
actually this country was formed on the right to have religious freedom. That means we should accept that not only Christmas is being celebrated and not make assumptions. "Happy holidays" is inclusive of everyone so how is that a bad thing? In following with your thinking we should ask the Native Americans which holiday they celebrate because they were here first.
Funnily enough, Larry, the United States has neither an official religion nor an official language. And no, not everyone celebrates Christmas. The majority in the U.S., perhaps, but that does not mean "everyone."
In fact, you even acknowledge in your next sentence that "there are other religions here." Way to contradict yourself.
Why should everyone else be forced to hear "Merry Christmas" over and over again when they believe something else? True, they are just words, but why not include everyone in the generic "Happy Holidays" (that includes Christmas) to avoid this debate altogether?
Dang it Larry, our country was founded on a group of people arriving and forcing our language and beliefs on the people that were already here. However, you seem to have forgotten the Native Americans or you chose only to remember those things that fit your lifestyle. You should read what TR-421173 is telling you. Its all true.
Larry, "learn my language" is hardly the same as "agree with my religion." Did you miss the "freedom of religion" part of EVERY US history and civics class EVER taught? This country was founded by Christians escaping persecution by other Christians who didn't agree with their brand of christianity. And, because they were sensible people, they agreed that religious FREEDOM was important, and we have separation of church and state and a little item called the First Amendment. If you can't be accurate, be quiet.
That's right we have seperation of state and church that keeps the government from proclaiming one religion for all the U.S. But when they declared Dec.25 as a Christmas holiday, it was to celebrate the birth of Christ, so Merry Christmas. Besides that, those who truely celebrate the birth of Christ doesn't fall for all the santa/toys/gifts thing, that's pagan.
Nearly every other country in the world teaches its citizens two languages, most start in first grade. Only someone still clinging to the US as the superpower would make a comment like this.
Get with the program - there are more Spanish and Chinese on the planet then there are anglo-saxons, so we had all better start learning one or both of their languages
When I was a kid, we used to listen to Andy Williams, "Happy Holidays," which was originally released in 1963. The song was from the film "Holiday Inn" (1942), with music & lyrics written by Irving Berlin. When I hear someone say "Happy Holidays," it triggers wonderful Christmas memories from childhood. It's too bad it's such an evil phrase now.
Being Jewish, I am always reminded this time of year that I am in the minority. I also know that the USA has plenty of faiths and we should cover them all with Happy Holidays. The people who are upset with that could just think of it as being Merry Christmas/Happy New Year combined greeting.
I appreciate people attempting to make Jews happy by wishing us a Happy Hanukkah. People should know that Hanukkah is a VERY minor Jewish holiday and if it wasn't so close to Christmas, few non-Jews would know about it. How many non-Jews know about Purim? Just as minor a holiday, yet in the middle of March, nobody notices. I also cringe a bit when I see Jews go overboard with celebrating Hanukkah as an effort to "compete" with Christmas. The whole history of Hanukkah was the Jews' survival over assimilation--ironic given that Hanukkah has so much more prominence here because of Christmas.
And as a reminder, we should all remember that Purim, NOT HANUKKAH, is the gift-giving holiday. The only reason Jews give gifts on Hanukkah is because of the commercialization of Christmas.
LRG---
This country was founded on Christian principles. People that come to reside here need to understand that. Our traditions, customs etc., do not need to be changed in order to accommodate anyone. It's ridiculous that this is even happening. If a large population of hindus where to move to Japan, do you think the Japanese would actually change their traditions to accomodate these people? --Get real...
Not just christmas has been commercialized to be what it is not, what about easter. Neither is about Jesus anymore, it has turned into shopping extravaganza, buying gifts because you feel like you have to, easter is chocolate & coloring eggs. Comercialized so much people are complaining not about religion, but that the store personel is not advertising / promoting special treatment to your particular group enough. And that is a shame, this is not what either holiday is about. Both sides get offended too easy, and need to get over themselves, no matter what you call your higher power (or don't), we all have to share the planet. (By the way the stores don't care what or who you believe in/ or don't, they just want your money, and will do whatever they think it takes to seperate you from it.
Aldrikg
Would you mind showing me a reference that states that this nation was founded in Christian principles? so slavery, women rights (lack thereof) are some of those Christian principles? You know the founders were slave owners don't you?
You raise a great point! My Jewish friends have said the same thing: Hanakuh is a minro Jewish holiday that the PCers and retailers in the country are trying to elevate simply to water down Christmas and to sell more 'stuff'.
I always find it funny when stores go out of their way to print thousands of gift cards with Happy Hanakuh on them, only to see them all still there after Christmas! You'd think they'd get it by now........
If we're all honest here, this is really more all just part of the anti-Christian back-lash than people really being offended by a Christmas tree!
"It cannot be emphsized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."-Patrick Henry 1776
"I am a Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also." -Thomas Jefferson
In 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution:
"The congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
Need I go on?
Who cares about a greeting from someone? Is that going to ruin an ADULT'S whole day? I hope not. The happiness for the holiday we celebrate, regardless of the name, should be in our hearts, not based on other people. Grow up, people!
This country is filled with a bunch of thin-skinned people. Call it whatever you want. If someone gets offended by either statement they need to check their own beliefs.
I celebrate Santa Claus day. I am agnostic and simply celebrate the season of giving. I enjoy buying things and giving them to people to see them smile. That is what this time of year means to me. If someone wishes me "Merry Christmas" I am just happy that they didn't flip me off. It is a freindly thing to say and I enjoy seeing and hearing from happy people.
"Santa Claus Day" - I love it. :)
I am a Christian and I do celebrate christmas. I however love your statement and it is extremely witty, and seems to be from the heart. We should love everyone and try to spread good cheer.Even people who do not share the same beliefs as we do are entitled to express themselves and celebrate the holidays as they please.
If not for Christmas shopping, Retailers will be making zilch during this season. They shouldnt run away from Christmasy references. It's your culture, your heritage, dont be ashamed of it. Even in India (90% hindus), we say "Merry Christmas", what's your problem?
Jamie 750414, it's not my culture nor my heritage. I'm Jewish. Would you deny my culture and my heritage?
Michael-- no one is denying anything. But you are an American first, at least I hope. Whether you like it or not, this country that you live in was founded on Christian principles. As I stated before, it is ridiculous that this is even an issue. The foundations of this country do not need to be changed in order to accomodate particular groups of people. If anyone, including you do not like that, you always have the option to move to Israel.
aldridkg, this country was NOT founded on Christian principles. It was founded on DEIST principles. Just so you understand. The Christians took this to mean Christian principles and didn't pay attention to the original intent of the Founding Fathers.
Michael, my message had nothing to do with denying anyone or anything. I just wanted to convey that some people need to be mature adults and not wear their holiday hearts on their sleeves. Your culture and your heritage belong to you, and no one can take that away from you. Relying on other people to validate your identity is a mistake and you will go through life sorely disappointed if you do. I love, support, and respect everyone's culture and heritage. Happy Chanukah and I wish you peace.
I grow so weary of the heritage of my country being slowly stollen away. our forefathers came to this land seeking freedom 'of' religion, not freedom 'from' religion. why is it better to offend the great majority of people than the small minority just to be politically correct. all people are welcome here, but that doesn't mean we will bend over backward to change the heart of our nation to accommodate their culture. what ever happened to the idea that the majority rules? learn our language and tolerate our customs or return to the place you can be happy speaking how you want to. talk about growing up, why is it so offensive to be wished a merry christmas.
I celebrate Christmas and I say "Merry Christmas" to people but I am not Christian and I do not believe in god. I agree with you that people need to grow up a little bit but I take issue with you saying:
our forefathers came to this land seeking freedom 'of' religion, not freedom 'from' religion
Maybe my freedom 'of' religion is not to have a religion. Our forefathers wanted people to practice whatever religion they wanted and that includes none at all. People that make such distinctions do not deserve the freedom that this country has given them.
Amen! You could not have said it better! Would we go to their country and try to change their beliefs or holidays?
You mention "learn our language and tolerate our customs or return to the place you can be happy". However, you fail to acknowledge that the America's were already home to native americans and the settlers didn't assimilate into native american life and culture. We may now call ourselves American but we are certainly not the first or original owners of that title.
If I'm wished Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanzaa, Hello, Goodbye, Thank you, etc. It doesn't matter and I'm not offended...big deal. It's all about retailers "targeting" their next customer and how they can sell! sell! sell!
I've bought dreidels, I eat turkey, I decorate my home, my daughter owns a kimono and kwanzaa dress...big deal. The more we are aware of life and humanity beyond our individual bubbles the more educated we become and we are better people because of it. Relax and enjoy your _________(insert festive name of your choice)
Nely--hmm, you sound like a kool-aid drinker..
Please spare us the half witted history lesson on the natives and settlers. What exactly is your point??This is history, your comment is not novelty. We got the persians, the greeks, the romans, the spaniards, the israelis,,,etc.. I can go on..
Regardless, I do not know of many places in the world where minorities especialy religious ones dictate the culture of the country. This country has foundations and beliefs and anyone coming or living here should respect them.. This is getting so ridiculous that it's scary..
"freedom 'of' religion" You almost got it, this country was founded on Freedom of ALL religions/beliefs, not just yours, or theirs, or whomevers. They came here so they could practice as they wished and not be forced by the people who were in the majority where they came from saying they had to believe this way, or pray that way. They wanted to be free to worship as they wished, and pray as they wished.
As an interesting and moderately relevant side note... the Pilgrims did not celebrate Christmas (though they were unquestionably Christian) because they thought it was a pagan corruption of their values.
That being said, I most decidedly don't celebrate Christmas (let's celebrate the anniversary of my non-Christian mother's death by spending loads of money and getting into fist fights in the parking lot... or not), but I am never, ever going to be offended if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas. Or Happy Holidays or Happy Yule or whatever. If I know someone's preference (and they aren't being obnoxious), I'll respond in kind. If someone is being obnoxious and disrespectful, I will simply ignore them. It's really not worth the time and trouble to get worked up over.
Exactly, TR
I grow so weary of people who care about a phrase rather than the reality of our country. Ecomonic woes, torture, corruption, hunger, disease and you worry about the heritage of a country over 230 years old. My God people, get a life and worry about what is really important.
First, the Pilgrims came here to establish the freedom to practice THEIR religion: They weren't interested in letting others practice another religion. Second, the Pilgrims specifically forbade the celebration of Christmas and fined anyone who treated December 25th as anythig other than a regular day. So, if you are so intent on preserving the values of our Pilgrim ancesters, you should be working to outlaw any mention of or celebration of Christmas.
Wrong. The pilgrins got tired of being told what to worship by the government so they came to America to be the ones in power so that they could force their religion upon everybody.
If the word Christmas is so taboo, why do the same companies that oppose use of the word, close their stores to observe that very day? If they truly want to promote "holiday" equality, they would remain open and work that day as well as all the others.
What I'm trying to say is please don't observe a day you don't believe in. In observing, you contradict your entire "Anti-Christmas" campaign every year. Stay open, like most gas stations and restaurants.
they do stay open - they are called casinos
not ONE of these posters has been "anti christmas" you fool. We are just of a higher intelligence than you ...so we understand Happy Holidays fits everyone......what a tool... ya lets not take the day off..... .... just dawned on me you must have been kidding...
Truly amazed at how selfish people are. Truely amazed that people think their beliefs are so important it's okay to dismiss others.
If you don't like it don't shop there - but stop trying to force your own beliefs on others.
How Christian is it to demand you be recognized first and foremost irregardless of anyone else's beliefs?
Happy holiday's includes Christmas too you know.
Joe - Freedom of religion - exactly. There are many other besides Christianity!
There may be other "religions", but only one true GOD. The God of Abraham. That is called faith. I hope you find HIM someday. He knows you.
true, there are many religions. in india, merry christmas might not be appropriate. here however it is the predominate greeting. i encourage anyone to practice whatever religion they choose, but don't ask the majority to bow to you wishes simply because we might offend your sensibilities. tolerance is the byword of the intolerant it seems. if merry christmas offends you shop elsewhere, but i dare say that retailers would rather lose 5 percent of sales from you rather than 80 plus percent from others.
loveof Christ....if you go back to my original post you will see I do in fact celebrate Christmas and I do in fact believe in Christ. But I also do not feel I have the right to foist my beleifs on others.
Obviously you have no such respect for other.
joe - yes Christianity may be the predominant single religion. However if all the other religions who do not celebrate Christmas are much larger in number.
So really - we are the minority.
Further more if you take them individually, you are still talking millions of people.
And I just don't see the need to not be inclusive. I certainly don't tell my Jewish friends Merry Christmas, because it would be rude. I try to extend the same if not more civility to strangers.
Since when did this become about Christians demanding their rights to be recognized above others? The holiday is CHRIST-mas: the celebration of Christ's birth. Why should it be called anything else? Why should Christians even have to defend that? Why on earth would it offend anyone to hear "Merry Christmas"? The fact is that most of America is Christian and we are celebrating a Christian holiday and the stores are making money off of us. Why are we SO concerned about offending a few people who, if they don't believe in Jesus, shouldn't be celebrating Christmas anyway? If there is an unequal amount of advertising to the other holidays that fall during the December month, it is because there is an unequal amount of society that celebrates those particular holidays. Those people aren't "left out", they are a minority who's spending does not validate equal representation in a store's advertising.
Thank you, Cheryl! I am in complete agreement with you. I freely choose to say "Merry Christmas" to those that I come in contact with during the CHRISTMAS season, and would never take offense if they told me that they celebrate another holiday, just as it should not offend them for me to celebrate mine. It is as offensive to those of us who do celebrate Christmas to be told not to say "Merry Christmas" ... I don't hear anyone teling those that celebrate Hannukah or Kwaanza to not say "Happy Hannukah.
For there to be so many people complaining about the use of Merry Christmas, there sure are a lot of them buying CHRISTMAS presents and celebrating something with those presents on December 25th.
Merry Christmas to you!
Isn't Christianity the only one that recognizes Jesus as the Messiah, the position He was given by God? In Judaism, Jesus was merely a prophet. I don't even know where Jesus or God fit into Islam.
They are not the minority! Individually yes. But there are more non-Christians then Christians.
Again - Happy Holidays includes everyone including those who celebrate Christmas.
Merry Christmas does not. I will choose to be respectful of everyone period. Demanding the world greet me with Merry Christmas is putting my self and my religion above others. If you honestly think everyone is out shopping for Christmas at this time of year then I am truley sorry for your narrow view of the world.
I wonder how many of these Christians who are so upset about not being told Merry Christmas make a bigger deal of Christ then Santa Clause? I can't even remember the last time I spent enoug htime going to stores that I could actually recall what the clerk said to me.
Truth: Source check if you desire.
The leading religion in this country is, by far, Christianity. Even when you add all of the others together they still only account for 16.09% of the citizens in this country founded on Christian beliefs. Do the research, try Wallbuilders.com. Merry Christmas.
seek gods truth
NOT even close you come up with that percent only if you take every sect of "christianity" you know all the ones you think are cults and are not the true religion only when you lump every christian sect together can you say this country is christian...
heck the "christians" don't even like other "christian sects" the evilgelicals are always calling the catholics the great whore and a cult, both the evilgelicals and the catholics call the mormons a cult, then they all call the jehovah witness a cult, heck the southern baptist don't get along with the northern baptists and on and on and on it goes
BUT when you only include each sect separately then not so true... so lets look at each sect seperatly and do some comparing...
and no just because you keep saying it does not make it true This country was not founded on christian beliefs read the constitution and count how many times the word god appears... do the research and get some facts not fiction
did you know the christians totally made up the holiday of christmas, did you huh, huh
show me in your bible where it says to celebrate the birth of christ, go on show me
the reality is the christians were campaigning to convert the pagans who for years celebrated the winter solstice also known as the birth of the sun, the christians made up christmas, called it the birth of the son, stole the yule log, christmas tree and other decorations from the pagans in an attempt to win the pagans over to their christian beliefs complete with the newly made up holiday
Season's Greeting and Happy Holidays to all!!!
Rbach,
Read the end of Matthew of the New Testament. Jesus tells his disciples, which in turn those who follow him also do, to teach his words across all places of the world. You might want to check your history. You are correct about the pagan worshipping. The rest was not true. The Roman Empire ruled over the Israelites. At the time Christmas was established when the Roman Empire excepted Christianity. That was the beginning of the Roman Catholics. They wanted to believe in the christian beliefs, but keep some of their pagan traditions. The Christians did ask for a day closer to Jesus's birth, but Romans were use to celebrating the pagan holiday that day, the Roman authority made their old pagan celebration into the new Christian Holiday: Christmas.
The tree, the yule log, etc. wass passed down by Roman tradition, not stolen. Of Course at that time, all homes had to be decorated according to Roman Law.
rob
so what is the passage in your bible that says to celebrate the birth of christ an call it christmas? which passage says to celebrate the risen christ and call it easter?
Those passages do not exist because they were totally made up by people leading the christian church at that time. They incorporated (stole) the entire holiday including the tree, yule log etc do a bit of research and you will see the facts the pagans owned the holiday and decorations
Happy Holidays
Rbach,
Where does it state that you have to celebrate your wife, children's, Mother's, Father's , and etc. birthdays. You still do. Christians had no definite date of His birth, but were given a date to celebrate His birth. If you refer to what I wriiten above. We want a day to Celebrate the Birth of our Saviour.
Rob
so again the christians invented christmas it is stolen from the pagan winter solstice
This is my point since I keep seeing here that christmas was first, but fact is winter solstice was first and all the trapping around christmas were taken from the winter solstice celebrations
No one is taking away your right to celebrate anything just seams to be a neighborly thing for the christians to stop waging this war on christmas and be inclusive rather than forcing your celebration onto others
plain and simple Happy Holiday to you and yours!
Rbach,
I do agree with you about the winter solstice coming first,but apparently you haven't read my blogs clearly. Christmas came when the Roman Empire converted. The Catholic Church ruled, which was ruled by the Emperor. The Romans still wanted to use some of their traditions, even though converted, into the celebration of Christmas. Now you and me can celebrate any way we like, but back then you had to do what the Emperor and the Church told you to do to celebrate Christmas. Using the tree etc. That is why I don't agree with you that it was stolen. I do believe that people got use to it like a tradition that it was passed down. To me using a tree dosen't matter. I don't worship the tree. I worship Jesus Christ. The tree is just decoration piece.
For those out there hanging on every single word people say. Why don't you hang a noose around everyones's neck. This is a season of Peace, Love and Cheer. This is not the season of War, Hatred, and Sneer. Give me a break! Where is your Self Respect? Where is the respect for others? You want respect give it to others. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah,etc. It is fine with me. I know what the intentions of the person who gave me those wishes were. It was not to wish me harm. Get over yourselves. The word does not revolve around you alone. You know who you are and that's all that should matter.
The reason some Christians are making a big deal out of it is because there are those that are trying to take Christ out of Christmas, it's the main goal for them. Just like they try to remove God from everything else.
Trusty makes a valid point. Christians are not trying to devalue or knock other religions by defending Christmas. It is not about the Jews, or the Hindus, or the Islams, or the atheists. We are not trying to take anything from any other religion by insisting that Christmas be recognized for what it is. It is a Christian holiday. We would like it to stay that way. In the last couple of decades we have seen prayer outlawed in schools, the ten commandments taken down from courthouses, towns sued over nativity scenes. It's getting ridiculous, especially since over 80% of this country is Christian. We want Christmas to stay "Christ"mas. And yes, it has been commercialized, but Christians understand the reasons and balance of it, the goodwill and the spirit, and we still celebrate the day as the birth of our Lord. We have that right. We don't take anything away from other religions by insisting Christmas remain Christmas. Look at it this way - how would you feel if we took one of your major holy days, for example, Yom Kipur and made it about everything but what it is? So, we're just fighting to keep our holy day. That needs to be respected.
Trusty does not make a valid point EVERY other sun based religion, both older than and younger than Christianity has holidays this time of year. As stated before the Orthodox celebrate in january, I work on December 25th as it is not my christmas and on the day of my religion's Christmas I have to take personal time and/or a vacation day- chew on that! How would you like to have to use your personal and vacation time off from work to properly celebrate your holidays? My two best friends are Jewish and Islamic in faith, should I deny them well wishings this time of year based on the BS that we beleive in different teachings of faith?
Or perhaps I should take a clue from my step son, who, when I told him that christmas wasnt about presents but about the birth of a man named Jesus who taught love and tolerance. Looked at me and said "Whos he? I just want toys, and shoved his wish list into my hand"
I see an awful lot of excuses for people to be exclusionary
If your faith is so shallow you must be validated by everyone or you will lose your faith, well perhaps you should find another faith that you believe in
arguing this is a fight against taking christ out of christmas... no such thing, Every christian church I know of continues to have their christmas dogma in tact ... have your traditions and leave the rest of us alone with your fight over christmas
Happy Holidays to all!
CHRISTmas. Tradition is the reason for the season. The Son of God is the reason for the season. Gift giving is more than just a giving of finances, it is a giving of your time, your emotions in choosing a gift, and giving a blessing "Merry Christmas". No other faith offers this ideal at this time of the year, so, Happy Holidays does not apply at retail stores. This country was founded on the GOD OF ABRAHAM. Jesus's Father, our Father. This country has opened the door to all of the ills it faces by eliminating God and His Son from the fabric of our nation.
I love the sound of Merry Christmas being spoken.
Please read article eleven of the Treaty of Tripoli.
What????
Jews and Muslims are all children of Abraham too.
And if you truly believe that it is a religious holiday, why the shopping spree?
Gift giving isn't a shopping spree in my family. We give gifts that are heart felt. It is truly an act of symbolism to the people I love, as God loved us He gave his only begotten Son.
So really loveof Christ - what you are saying is that you have no tolerance or respect for other who think differently then you.
You don't think a devout Muslim, or Hindu, or Jew is every bit as confident in their faith being the correct one as you are about yours?
I believe, and as I have heard many times in Church, that the only one allowed to judge is God. You may want to focus on that.
CHRISTmas is a day, and it is important. BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY HOLIDAY THIS TIME OF YEAR.
loveofchrist
Unbelievable you are so far from any fact
Fact is this country was NOT founded on your god or any god and certainly not by christians... given the fact some of the countries founders were christian does not mean all were... get of the cool-aid and face some facts..
It is "christains" like you that give Christianity a bad rap.
Look through your bible and give us the passages that create this thing you call christmas.... I won't be waiting for I know for a fact there are no passages in the bible that dictate to celebrate the birth of christ and call it christmas
If you spend a tiny bit of time learning some facts you will see it was people in the christian church that were trying to convert pagans that "stole" the whole concept of winter solstice and renamed it to christmas... winter solstice celebrated on the shortest day of the year for many, many years before the invention of christmas. The pagans celebrated the birth of the sun, the christians in their attempt at converting the pagans changed it to celebrating the birth of the son, then stole the tree, the yule log and decorating and gift giving and packaged it all up and called it christmas
Try to live by the teachings of Christ and stop being a spewer of "christianity" they are two totally different things
Happy Holidays
Christians in Spain call it the Day of the Kings, they give their gifts and celebrate the kings giving gifts to the christ child.
Are they not really christians for doing this according to US beliefs?
He is the reason for the DAY not an entire season! Be respectful of others unless it is December 25th...
This country was founded on the GOD OF ABRAHAM. Jesus's Father, our Father. This country has opened the door to all of the ills it faces by eliminating God and His Son from the fabric of our nation. Uhm, Jesus of Nazareth was Jewish and the God of Abraham is the Yahweh, Adonoi or any other name that is unspoken, in other words, Jewish. So what you are really saying is that this country was founded on Jewish principles.
"Happy Holidays" is just too generic. I would much rather a sales clerk tell me "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hannukah". That would at least be them acknowledging their own beliefs. If a person is neither Christian nor Jewish, they can say "Happy New Year!". But for someone to be forced to say "Happy Holidays" is an insult to all people of faith. I work in a public school, and when I answer the phone during December, I say "Merry Christmas"! (Incidentally, the word "holiday" comes from the term "holy day". What's so holy about a faithless holiday?) Merry Christmas, ya'll!
You should be fired lutheranchick. You work for the state and the state is supposed to be neutral on this matter. If I was to be on the other end of the line I would personally see to it that you were punished for your selfishness. Be an activist on your own time.
Furthermore, did you stop to consider that "Happy Holidays" IS an acknowledgement of ones own beliefs? Maybe they don't believe what you believe. Maybe they don't believe they have the right to push what they believe on you or anyone else. Maybe they believe it's fun to mess with self-important Christians. Maybe you just want them to acknowledge YOUR beliefs.
I would hate to think that I was so insecure in my beliefs that I would feel a telephone greeting of "Merry Christmas" was threatening in some way. That's activism? Man, get real. Get a life. Get a job -- or something, you are definitely missing something.
You fail to mention any other faiths; I sincerely hope you didn't really mean to imply that only Christians and Jews are people of faith.
No one is trying to take your freedoms or religion from you. Since you work is a public school, you should respect all other religions out there. Children are innocents, and generally speaking, believe what their families have taught them. Would you descriminate against any one of them? Imagine the damage that could do to an impressionable mind...
She has every right to say Merry Christmas as it was declared a National Holiday, that means the the U.S. government Declared it. Merry Christmas
I am a public school teacher, too and I know as a fact you can say Merry Christmas, if you want when you answer the phone, but you must either address all holidays or none. But once again, what is your intent. By answering your phone Merry Christmas, you make yourself feel good, but you might be making the person on the other end very uncomfortable. And what if they responded Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa etc. How would you feel. I just don't understand why it is so important to force your believes down others throats.
One last note. For all the people who keep justifing saying Merry Christmas by saying it's a national holiday, please don't confuse a national holiday with a national religion. America is the ONLY country without a national religion. That is what this country was founded on. Freedom for all religion. Please don't forget that.
I could care less. I'll make sure to say "Happy Holidays" just to irritate christians....lol.
LOL, Then dont celebrate anything Jim. Thats the whole point , it is Christmas, if you dont believe in it just dont celebrate anything. But leave me alone I do.
Jim, honey, you just go right ahead. That's your right. It's also our right to wish you not just a "Merry Christmas", but a blessed one as well. And if we choose to pray for your eyes to be opened, that's between us & God.
BTW - since you are not a Christian, do you plan to work on December 24 & 25? Or do you plan to take advantage of the Christian holiday and not work?
It's not a Christian holiday, it's a Federal holiday.
Wally,
That could be the best post on this whole thread!
So if I say "blessed be," that would be acceptable?
Oh so true - it is a Federal Holiday but why it is a Federal Holiday - why do most American's get paid to stay home on 12/25?? Because of Christmas!!!!!!!! Why did the government make Christmas a Federal Holiday?? Because this nation was founded on Christian principles and Christians celebrate the birth of the Lord & Savior on 12/25 (yes we know that's not his actual birth date). Conclusion - we have this wonderful Federally granted day off because of CHRISTMAS!!!!
Wally. That is perfectly said! Couldn't be said better BUT,
I am NOT Christian, but I am perfectly at ease with someone saying Merry Christmas, or WHATEVER! Doesn't matter to me. What matters is that that person was courteous enough to acknowledge my presence with THEIR prefered greeting. People are so selfish it seems. NOt everyone is about ME and MY sensibilities. When I sneeze and someone says "God bless you" I don't say "no..... no he doesn't cause he doesn't exist!" I simply say thank you, becuase they ARE NOT saying "MY GOSH YOU MUST BELIEVE IN GOD" they are simply saying Bless me! I love it when people pray for me and whatnot. DOesn't bother me at all.
The Congress of the United States is not constitutionally permitted to endorse or aid any religion, purposefully or otherwise, or entanglement between our government and religious beliefs.
They all have the day off for Christmas. Do you take the paid holiday? I don't understand why everyone gets upset over the word Christmas you get a paid work day off. I celebrate it for a religious reason because I am a Christian. So for all of you thank us Christians for your paid holiday.
It's called the "holidays" because there are, surprise of surprises... many holidays being celebrated there. If you wish me a merry Christmas, a happy Channukah, a blessed Yule (the original December "holy day," if I remember correctly), or a joyful Springletyflub Day, it shouldn't really change anything.
And as a quick note; it's Yule, not Christmas, that we're celebrating on the date of. If you come to someone else's holiday, feel free to bring your on joy, but don't trample that of your host's. OK?
Whatever religion you follow (or even if you don't follow one), the greeting is ostensibly one of goodwill. "Happy Holidays" sounds a bit less heartfelt, perhaps, but it's an attempt to not pre-judge the person being addressed. It makes it no less (or more) sincere than a religion-specific greeting, and shouldn't make you feel marginalized. No matter the greeting, take it in the manner it was intended, and go from there.
That said, I hope you all have a very joyful Springletyflub Day, of whatever stripe you choose to celebrate personally.
Wally, you're an idiot.
Just because you refuse to acknowledge something doesn't make it not so. I don't care how I get greeted, but I'm smart enough to know what principles were the foundation of this country and cynical enough to know how those principles have become distorted over time. Don't bring separation of church and state into a stupid discussion about "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays". Christmas is a Christian holiday sanctioned by the federal government. Whether you like it or not.
Sorry if facts are too much for you to handle there WillBKFD. I don't care how I'm greeted either. I do care when you, and others, make false statements. That's the offenseive part.
Wally please read this; it will enlighten you !!
Wally says, "December 25th is a Federal Holiday. LOL. So it's a federal Holy day huh? So tell me Wally, how does that work. I mean, a federal Holy day? How can that be?
I don't know about Jim, but I would gladly work on Dec 25th, but I do not have the option since my office is closed. Is it fair for me to take a personal day when I choose to celebrate my religions most holy day?
SCGospel, you said it all....
I can't understand how/why people get upset about this, either way. I say both, and I'm a Christian. Sure it is nice to hear Christmas music and references in the stores -- but why would I boycott somewhere that chooses to encompase the entire season? I know Jewish people who don't get offended when wished Merry Christmas (although I'm not saying that there aren't those out there that DON'T get offended). Tis the season to be happy and greatful for whatever your choose to believe in.
Well said. I'm not going to fault a retailer for being all encompassing.
The reason why people are getting upset diana, is because we are americans. Furthermore, as you well know, this country was founded on christian principles. Lots of folks are starting to realize that little by little, the secular progressive agenda is chipping away at our constitution, values and principles.
I don't get why Christians get upset with Happy holidays. Is all encompassing and isn't this the time of year to try to be all encompassing? Why is that offensive. I never have gotten that.
aldridkg - you said the reason people are upset is because we are americans. To me, that is not a reason. I am American and I don't get upset.
Aldrid, how about you and everyone like you forming your own country? You clearly don't know what "The United States of America" is all about. You don't even say it -- you say "americans," like you have a lock on knowing who we all are. Sorry to step on your right-wing corns, but it's worshipping money that is "chipping away at our constitution, values and principles," not whether we say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays." The reason retailers have their knickers in a twist is because of "christians" getting upset at NOT hearing enough Merry Christmases. It's not those who DON'T celebrate Christmas who are fussing, it's those of you who are TOTALLY INTOLERANT of anything and anyone who isn't rolling in the aisles with you on Sundays. I agree with Publius -- I'm an American, and I'm not upset about what greeting someone gives me. I am upset by people like you who presume to speak for me.
Santa Claus and commercialism are the reasons for the season. The American Christmas is a collection of traditions from all over the world. All these traditions revolve around the Winter Solstice and the return of longer days. What’s offensive to me is the attempt to monopolize the Holiday. The celebration of the birth of Jesus is just another aspect tossed into the melting pot that is the Christmas Holiday.
Wally, you sound so cynical. You must either be very young or your life has not been going well. Merry Christmas, Wally and a Very Happy Holidays. May you find joy and happiness in the coming year with all those other bleak, sad people who think that offering a sentiment of happiness as some how bad and offensive.
Thank you for pointing out one thing that many seem to be missing - the celebration of the lengthening of the days has been observed longer than any of the other "celebrations" being discussed. And from what I recall having learned as a small child, Christmas is actually a minor holiday in Christianity - it's been highly commercialized in the US and unfortunately, other countries have also adopted the materialism of the US; the "big" holiday in Christianity is Easter, the resurrection of the Saviour, not the birth. If we all remember Charles Dicken's "A Christmas Carol" there wasn't any massive exchange of gifts; in Little Women it was decided amongst the girls to give "Marmee" presents at Christmas. Crass commercialism and intolerance of others beliefs seems to be the way of the 20th and 21st centuries.
Sorry workingmom. You assume much. Merry Christmas.
You are correct Let Me...
If you want to get down to it we should all be thanking the pagans. LOL they started it!
I am interested to know where you get your info from Wally? Seems to me that you really need to check out
How about the History Channel website. That's a good start.
workingmom, you sound so clueless.
Blessed Yuletide Dec 20-Jan1 (or however long the yule log burns), Merry Christmas Dec 25 , Happy Chanukkah Dec 21 - Dec 29, Happy Kawanza Dec 26 -Jan 1, Blessed Ramadan
Which holiday are you wishing a good time for?
FYI, Ramadan was in October this year.
And a happy Waitangi Day to all Or maybe since it is December:
1st National Day, Liberation Day.Independance day, Freedom & Democracy Day, Independance restoration, St Andrews Day,
2nd MY BIRTHDAY (My favorite holiday ;), National Day,
3rd National Day, San Fransico Javier,
4th Angelina, King Tupou day
5th Discovery of Haiti, St. Nicholas', H.M. The King‘s Birthday, National Day, Fathers day, Gospel day,
6th Independance day, constitution day
7th Ekaterina, Province Day, Eid Al adha, Arafat day
8th Immaculate Conception, Eid ul-Adha, St. Kliment Ohridski, Kurban-hait ,Greater Bajram, Tabaski, Aid El Kabir, Mothers day, Id-Al-Adha, Feast Of Sacrifice,
9th Id-Ul-Allah (Hadji Festival Day), Independence Republic Day
10th Hari Raya Haji, Constitution Day,
12th Our Lady Of Guadalupe's, Unduvap Full Moon Poya Day,
15th Asean
16th Chiang Mai,
17th National Day, Varvara
19th Sveti Nikola
21st Winter Solstice
22nd Hanukkah, Amyotha nei, Anna, Unity Day
23rd Tennō tanjōbi (The Emperors B-Day), Victory Day
25th Christmas day, Bozic, Jul, Noel, Joulupäivä, Hristougenna, Hkarissamat nei, Quaid-e-Azam (Jinnah Day), Navidad, ‘Īd al-Mīlād al-Mağīd, Family Day, Natal,
26th Boxing Day, Proclamation Day, St. Stephen's Day, Tapaninpäivä, Tweede Kerstdag, Independence Day, Day of Thanksgiving , Kwanzaa
27th Boxing day, Constitution day, Clock Day
28th Innocents Day, Honor King Taksin
29th (Tahun Baru 1430 Hijriyah) Islamic New year, Marina
30th Rizal Day, Ed El Haj
31st New Years eve, Restoration of the Republic,
Moveable dates in Dec: Ramazan, Bayramı, Şeker Bayramı, Kurban Bayramı
TO NAME BUT A FEW
Whew! Bet that took a long time to type out! Thanks for all your info? The only problem we need to worry about is how we 'treat' others, NOT what we say to them. It's only words. Tradition, (in America) has been that this is the time to say MERRY CHRISTMAS, or at least it was until everybody started getting so P.C. and touchy. As for me and other old farts like me.................................
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY! and a HAPPIER NEW YEAR I HOPE!
happy holidays and a happy new year
Muslim's have another holiday on Monday called Eid ul-Adha, so you can always wish them a Merry Eid!
I am sorry. At what point did wishing someone happiness become offensive. Happy Holidays. Be happy, enjoy the winter holidays, what ever holiday you celebrate. Be happy in thecompany of your loved ones,your family. Happy Christmas, Happy Hannuka, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Solstice. I celebrate Christmas. I worked 18 years in retail at Christmas. When someone says Happy Holidays to you in a store, just be thankful. They care about you, their customer. How much thought do you give to the amount of time they fet to spend enjoying their happy holiday. Grow up and learn some appreciation.
Good post. If I wish a Jewish person a happy Christmas, it's not because I don't respect his beliefs. Rather than be offended he should be just as happy as if I had said "Happy Friday." Likewise if I am wished a Happy Kwanza or whatever, it's just someone wishing me happiness.
I don't see the problem.
Norton, maybe the reason you "don't see the problem" is that you don't see all the screaming evangelicals creating it. Good for you. :)
YES! Thanx, rukidding........
Non-Christians find it easy to play the 'woa-is-me, my rights as an American are being offended'.... B.S. Just stop it. I really believe these people are looking for opportunities everywhere, all the time to cajole every Christian because they believe Jesus shouldn't even be mentioned in the public realm. But, this holiday and, particularly in December, is the time of year they celebrate Jesus. Pressure from non-Christians to remove Jesus from this holiday irks me to no end. Why don't you just let all the stores and TV stations and school plays alone and stop trying to tell all the believers in America that they can only 'talk-amongst-yourselves'. Remember, we're all in this country together. A Christian isn't saying you should believe just because they say 'Merry Christmas' and when Dawkins or Chopra or Rabbi Boteach say something in public, Christians shouldn't return the attack for their positions. This amazing country is for you to enjoy. But remember, I'm a citizen too and it's for me to enjoy also. Merry Christmas and a very peaceful December to everyone.
Greg...you are very astute on your observations.
The secular progressive movement and agenda in this country is on constant attack mode. Look at the ACLU, they attack a mom for listening into her 14 yr. old daughter's conversation, saying she violated her daughter's right to privacy,,yet they go out and defend NAMBLA...They attack the boyscouts, in god we trust, pledge of allegiance, and anthing else that has any moral value. Again, chipping away little by little at our core values and beliefs. They do not stand for anyone's civil liberties, but the complete opposite.
Drop the unconstitutional federal holiday.
Unconstitional????? Why????? This country was founded as a Christian nation. Christians are still in the majority here and the majority rules. It was founded as a nation that gave it's people freedom from religious oppression. Our Constition gives EVERY ONE freedom of religion. There is no law that prohibits anyone from observing their holidays, buying gifts from them or decorating publicly.
As with everything else in life majority rules!!!!!!!!!
would some one PLEASE show me some place in the Constitution or the Bill of rights where it says we were "FOUNDED AS A CHRISTIAN NATION".......PLEASE show me christ, jesus, jesus christ .......ANYWHERE!!!!!?????
Brad, the constitution ends with-- In the year of our Lord--is this satisfactory??
I celebrate Christmas. It is Merry Christmas to me. If someone wants to celebrate another holiday then by all means they are allowed to and can wish me a merry/happy holiday whatever they want. However if you want me to spend my money on a gift that I am giving for Christmas then that is how you need to address it to me. If the person next to me is buying a Kwanza gift then wish her a Happy Kwanza.
It doesn't ruin my day however. The main stream media does.
And of course, every clerk,in every store, will know what holiday you personally celebrate and all the tenents of your personal faith, just by looking at you? Is that expecting a little much from an associate making around 7.00 an hour?
And we're supposed to know which holiday you celebrate how? By what you buy? As a Jew, I've bought Christmas gifts for Christian friends, Yule gifts for pagan friends. Does that make me Christian or pagan?
It makes you a caring person - period.
So Sarah's mom. What store is it that you shop at that specially marks gifts with a holiday name on it?
And you really think so little of others and so much of yourself that you would turn and walk away when someone wished you Happy Holiday's instead of reading your mind and wishing you Merry Christmas? Whatever would you do if the uttered the dreaded - Have a good day? Boycott the place for life?
Frankly, I'd be happy to find someone in retail who wishes me a good day or even says Thank you! Mostly what you get is contempt and disrespect, let alone Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays!
If it weren't for Christmas there would be no big holiday to say anything about. So why mix in all the other minor holidays of other religions? (I only say minor since called Hanukkah a minor Jewish holiday) Seems they are just using Christmas as an excuse for a day off but then say they don't like it because it gets all the publicity.
Actually if it weren't for the winter Solstice celebrations, Christmas would be in March. So, Christmas is just a way to capitalize on someone else's traditions. And yet, the solstice, which is also marked on the calendar, gets no publicity. Interesting, don't you think?
How can you compare Christ with Winter Soltice? All I can say is Merry Solstice and a happy new equator. Its really come to this. Sigh
You cant be that naieve... zeitgeistmove.com
Almost every single religion is based on the sun (or SON) depending on your spelling.
On Saturday I saw a very small and beautiful 2 year little old girl enter the store when I work and she immediately saw our decorated "tree". With a smile on her face out of her mouth came one sweet and soft word, "Christmas"
That should say it all.
Merry Christmas to everyone and peace.
Yeah, it says her family is Christian. And?
I don't shop at this time of the year, my Hanukkah shopping 90%+ done by September, so I don't run into the problem, unless someone wishes me a Merry Christmas at, say, the supermarket. I respond, "Happy Hanukkah." Shocks people but I figure this: if you can assume I celebrate Christmas, I can assume you celebrate Hanukkah!
I just found my new tradition!!
I do the same thing Michael!
Me too. If it's a stranger and they wish me Merry Christmas I reply with Happy Hanukkah. Don't presume I'm Christian. Last year Santa was walking down the aisle in a store and wished me a Merry Christmas. He looked a bit shocked when I replied Happy Hanukkah, but it got some giggles from my adult son!
I do believe I have started something!!!
Dearest Micheal,
I am one the "Merry Christmas"-ers, but if you were to wish me a Happy Hanukkah, I'd in turn wish the same to you. I would hope that we can all be secure in who we are and not hate others for who they are. Hoping you and yours a very Happy Hanukkah!
There were several festivals and holidays in play on or around December 25th long before the early Christians usurped the date because they realized they couldn't compete with the pagans. Nothing new. They did the same thing with pagan gods and goddess by transmuting them into Christian saints (e.g., the pagan goddess Brigit was "transformed" into St. Brigit, and the pagan gods Bacchus and Dionysus became St. Bacchus and St. Denys or Denis). I say we should return to our roots! Fesitivus, for the rest of us! So Happy Holidays!
The saints you refer to are Catholic aren't they? Catholisism is a sister religion to Judaism
You are correct about the reason for December 25 becoming a Chistian observance of the birth of Jesus. The pagan winter solstice celebration was out of control.
'The pagan winter solstice was out of control'? In what way? Are you just saying this because they are pagan and don't believe in a Christian god?
Out of control? You have just summarized why Christianity was formed by men in the first place... to gain control. And nothing has changed. You made the most profound statement on this board all day, and had no idea you did it.
And, were you THERE? Is that why you know this? Of course, By no means has CHRISTMAS gotten out of control. Jeesh people celebrate your lives! Period!(yes that was intended as sarcasm) merry whatever.
The pagans nor their beliefs were out of control, it was the early Christian church that wanted to control the pagans and they accepted the pagan celebrations as a way to bring the pagans into the christian church.
Is this really that big of a deal? Merry Christmas . . . Happy Holidays . . . we're talking about shopping for crying out loud. Not a religious service, not something in your own home, but spending money. If a clerk doesn't wish me a Merry Christmas, that doesn't challenge my faith one bit. If they say Happy Holidays, that's fine too. Aren't there bigger issues in the world to focus attention on than what retailers name a season? Just my two cents.
If it were as simple as the greetings people gave to one another - there would be no issue. But from the Christian side - our belief are always challenged. We act too good - we act too bad. We pray and show our belief in public. We want "In God We Trust" to stay on the American money & in our public buildings. It's all connected. If we continue to just be tolerant and allow our beliefs to be pushed aside - so that we don't offend someone - then eventually we will not have any beliefs left to hang on to. No one is says don't allow Happy Holidays, we are just asking for retailers to not remove "Christmas".
Yes, but I'm a Christian too. My religious beliefs are not challenged at all if someone wishes me a Happy Holidays. I am in charge of my own religious beliefs, which is why I celebrate Christmas at my church and home. I feel strong enough in my own beliefs that what others think or say about them don't really bother me. I am responsible for teaching my daughter the meaning of Christmas. And if you want to get really nit-picky, it's Advent right now, not Christmas. Anyway, I don't care what someone says when I'm out shopping, either way is fine with me.
Well said SCGospel. Thanks!
SCGospel
I'm Christian and I don't feel the way you do.
God does not only exist as the creationist being in Christianity.
Christ only exists at the level of importance in Christianity...in Christianity.
You are comparing apples to oranges.
Sigh.... Yes, I am Christian, and for many people this is the Christmas season, most of what I have read has everything to do with proving one's own righteousness, and has little or nothing to do with why we celebrate Christmas, or any religious holiday at this time of year.
Let the stores put whatever holiday greeting they wish. For me, this is the Holiday season, not the Christmas season, as someone pointed out, Christmas is one day, to celebrate the birth of Christ, we are now in Advent. Christmas Day is truly the day to wish someone Merry Christmas if you want to be specific, but if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas today, thank you, I will do the same. If someone wants to wish people Merry Christmas during the entire month, it just fine. Wish me Happy Holidays? Just fine. If I make a mistake and you correct because you celebrate a different holiday, that's fine, and thank you for letting me know and I wish you the same.
During December there are other holiday or "holy days" celebrated by many different Americans. Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays......isn't it time the intent of the greeting be more important? Isn't there so much more that's important?
Nothing is more important than Christ and the only reason Christmas is being attacked is because some are trying to remove Christ from Christmas. Why one might ask are they doing this should be a more important issue for Christians.
Amen!
I agree with you Suzie.
Is Christmas supposed to be about shopping? Retailers? Logos & wording on advertisements?
The world has commercialized this season to make money. I don't think that's what Jesus was
hoping for as a gift to Him. How about opening your heart towards others and showing real love.
Christian is supposed to mean Christ like, right?
C'mon people...........think about it, maybe even pray about it before you start complaining & whining.
Jesus said "Be slow to anger & quick to forgive".
Love your enemies! Really, because all this complaining and whining is giving the Christians a bad name.
Amen!
I agree with you Suzie.
Is Christmas supposed to be about shopping? Retailers? Logos & wording on advertisements?
The world has commercialized this season to make money. I don't think that's what Jesus was
hoping for as a gift to Him. How about opening your heart towards others and showing real love.
Christian is supposed to mean Christ like, right?
C'mon people...........think about it, maybe even pray about it before you start complaining & whining.
Jesus said "Be slow to anger & quick to forgive".
Love your enemies! Really, because all this complaining and whining is giving the Christians a bad name.
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